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micke




msg:675672
 11:04 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

What cloaking means to me is:

If I have an address let's say [mysite.com...]
and I would want to have a address of [myname.com...] that points to the other address mysite.com/mypage..

Cloaking how I know it should be that my browser window should always display myname.com but collect the data from mysite.com/mypage..?

deerfield has a similar service so that I can point mysite.d2g.com to let's say [mysite...]

How is this done?.. any one know.. have Linux AND WIN 2000 ADV SERVER...

Please advice..

Regards

 

DaveAtIFG




msg:675673
 2:53 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld micke! My apologies, but I don't understand your question. :) It seems English is a "second language" for you...

This link [searchengineworld.com] describes what we mean by cloaking. I think what you want to do is different.

You mentioned Deerfield. Are you thinking of their proxy server?

Dreamquick




msg:675674
 4:17 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

The term I think you are looking for is framing a site.

In effect the frameset is hosted on the mask url (e.g. www.mydomain.com) and in turn it loads pages from whereever you need them to come from (e.g. myspace.myisp.net) while constantly showing the mask url irregardless of where you move within the site.

- Tony

micke




msg:675675
 4:52 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

So.. my english is that bad?

Didn't know that.. newer heard any complaint about it before... but what the heck..

Yeah.. I solved it with frames a couple of days ago... but don't think it's pro enough..

Want to do it in more like a invisible way... is this possible..

deerfield has a service that hides the source...

How is this done at their place.. any1 knows?

And thank you.. i feel very welcome...

Dreamquick




msg:675676
 7:00 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

There is no "pro" way to achieve the result you wanted without framing as even scripting wont allow you to change the page address without actually moving to that page - otherwise what stops me creating a site which looks like hotmail then just changing the address bar to say hotmail.com?

That said if you were to buy a decent hosting package you could just use the real domain name to host pages rather than hosting your site somewhere else and redirecting traffic to.

(If you want to sticky me the url of the deerfield you were talking about I'll take a look but the one I found doesnt offer anything website related)

As for hiding the source - again it can't be done, this time because of the nature of the http protocol - if you want it to render you have to deliver my browser the text that needs rendering.

Bear in mind that *nothing* looks cheaper than someone trying very hard not to look cheap...

- Tony

micke




msg:675677
 7:26 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok.. first of all.. please change your tone of voice, don't think that you're better than any1 else, maybe me.. in this matter... but not in all..

Sure.. you haven't checked the deerfield account out as far as you should..

I'm not trying to make this LOOK real.. I'm trying to make this REAL... like deerfield..

so.. for you to learn and start thinking so that you might be able to help me on a higher level than this complaining on my language and other cheating stuff... as u put it..

PLEASE

login to www.dns2go.com with this information..

Domain: apa.mygamesite.net
Key: 001153-RJGDH-KVSCW-1033592

Then goto (by the menu on the right) to
DNS2Go Web Client

There you can enter what IP you want the domain to go to..

and then if you click ADVANCED OPTIONS then you will be able to direct your domain to a web address other than just a IP address.. like www.mypage.net/~34323/default.html

And when this is done you wont have a FRAMESET in your browser.. as u suggested..

So they do this in 1 of 2 ways..

Either they do a masquerading with a UNIX server or in some other way.. so that your address still stands in the broswer address-field and the source of the page is the some of the one you're visiting..

Hope that you understand what i'm talking about, else please read between the lines..

And don't be angry with me just because of the top lines..

Regards Mike

Dreamquick




msg:675678
 8:11 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Okay, it seems that using "www.apa.example.com" instead of "apa.example.com" is what you need to do to enable redirection (the web-based client didn't tell me that).

Currently it has the deerfield homepage as the redirect target for some reason (demo registration?), but it does exhibit the behaviour specified;

You want to go to subdomain.example.com or www.example.com and have it display (for the sake of argument) a geocities page. You also want that domain to stay in the browser address bar even when the user follows a link.

However if you ask the browser for the source of "www.apa.example.com" you get this (which is a frameset aka framed aka frames);


<html>
<head><title>www.apa.example.com</title></head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0" frameborder="0" framespacing="0">
<frame src="http://www.example.com">
<noframes>
<body>
<a href="http://www.example.com">www.apa.example.com</a>
</body>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>

If you can show me a different example which doesn't work like this then I'm more than happy to have a look and tell you how that works (if I understand it).

(All URLs munged to avoid infringing the T&C)

- Tony

micke




msg:675679
 11:13 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok seems like the discussion ends here...

Deerfield needs registration since 1 oct for some reason..

The "framed" way to solve the problem i've allready used like i told earlier...

And no I don't want do it like you thought..

But anyways..

Example:
Source: [geocities.com...]
Destin: [mysite.d2g.com...]

This connection above IS possible with the deerfield way don't ask me how, I don't know and you dont know, so if you haven't got my problem yet, i don't know what do to.. maybe take a crashcourse in english... baha..=)

Thanks anyway..

DaveAtIFG




msg:675680
 12:02 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

I did some reading about the DNS2Go service. My impression is that at least one of it's benefits is to a user that operates a server via a dial-up connection, a dynamic IP. DNS2Go can detect what IP a dial-up server receives when a dial-up connection is established and route a domain name to that IP.

So, at least in part, it's a DNS server. But in this case, I suspect it also has some scripting to detect a dial-up server connecting and to update it's DNS routing records so a domain name is then associated with that server.

micke, at this point, I think you would need to be running your own DNS server and have some scripting or programming skills to do something like this on your own server.

micke




msg:675681
 12:58 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dave?

I have my own DNS(primary and secondary) and this is why im so interested(spelling? =))...

So.. if any1 knows of anyway to do this with iptables ipsec or any other "App" for Linux or Win?

Please advice..?

Think it might be called a tunnel?

it could be done if you store the data from the source server and the saves it to html files before showing it to the end user.. but don't think thats a really good idea though.. =)

Regards

Dreamquick




msg:675682
 1:29 pm on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

That's an interesting idea (which I'd call proxying the traffic BTW), it's a possible solution, and although there may be a piece of software out there that does this I don't think I've seen something similar.

As you have doubtlessly figured out this proxy concept is needed due to the fact that most free webspace, even with a sub-domain are virtual servers and require the correct hostname to work out where to go, not to mention that if you have a sub-directory instead of a sub-domain you need to modify the URL to be able to get to the right page.

This rules out simple DNS "hacks" since the most they can do is change the IP and a simple IP change without all the additional work is next to worthless, so unfortunately it will require *something* like your proxy idea. IPTables and IPSec wouldn't really cut it either - IPTables (if I remember right is a firewalling scheme) and IPSec involves encrypting all IP traffic across a network.

BTW a tunnel, although a very neat concept, hits the same problem as straight DNS as they simply pass traffic "as is" - they don't modify that traffic in any way.

A classic example of a tunnel application is putting one infront a service which doesn't offer a secure interface and having that tunnel provide a secure interface (ssh, https etc).

However the moment that *something* is required to sit in between the user and the final website bandwidth costs start to be incurred since the *something* has to proxy the pages as a minimum (if you have a sub-directory the URLs also have to be parsed and modified for both requests and output).

The major reason I think you wont find one of these running commercially is that the costs would be about the same as cheap webhosting which would be a superior solution anyway.

Sorry I/we haven't been of great help but my offer of figuring it out still stands if you can find an example you like.

- Tony

micke




msg:675683
 2:57 pm on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok thanks for all the thinking...

=)

Will check the internet out.. =) won't do that proxying stuff... was just really a stupid thing that I wrote.. =)

But sure, found another site that hade this think, but lost the address to it... will search a bit more..

Thanks again..

Micke

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