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Msg#: 176 posted 7:05 am on Apr 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

I was wondering if you [I mean YOU] had a choice to wish for a cloaking script - what would you ask for? I mean what specifications would you like to have? There are many scripts available, but it seems like none of them is perfect - what would be your perfect cloaking script like?



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Msg#: 176 posted 2:35 pm on Apr 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

My all-Inclusive Cloaking Script already exists and if cloaking was anymore work than it is I wouldn't mess with it.


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Msg#: 176 posted 3:34 pm on Apr 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

The perfect cloaking script would write me checks, bribe google to let be stay in the top ten even though it is banning my competition, put Inktomi out of business (at least out of the SE business), give AV some more VC money, bring back PlanetSearch, dezombieafy Infoseek, make Yahoo and looksmart free again, and dump about 4 trillion dollars into the NASDAQ.


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Msg#: 176 posted 3:39 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

I thought we were talking about "Cloaking Script" and not microsoft!

Comeon friends, I am working on making one. Send me all the features that you might *wish* in a cloaking script. I will give one script to everyone who replies with one good features. [besides usual]


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Msg#: 176 posted 3:59 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

How about having a function that strips the referring keys into a database. The script then weighs the referring keys against the "target" keys and dynamically adjusts the spider pages according to known "weighting" input factors such as h1's, bold text, outgoing hyperlinks, etc...


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Msg#: 176 posted 4:14 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Okay wish #1
Some hosts require you to use the .shtml file extension when you are using an SSI call. These statements will not work on all Hosts:
AddHandler server-parsed .html
AddHandler server-parsed .htm

It isn't always practical to change hosts. What I want is a script that will deliver the page with the .html file extension. Is this possible even if the host is not configured to allow it.

Wish #2
The same as above on a host using Zeus instead of Apache.


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Msg#: 176 posted 5:14 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

You can make a .htm extension be processed just like a .asp extension in IIS. To do this, go into IIS Manager, Properties, Home Directory, hit the Configuration button. In the Application Mappings, copy the mapping for .asp to a new mapping for .htm and/or .html. Then .htm files are also processed for SSIs and scripts.


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Msg#: 176 posted 6:15 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

You are right - none of them are perfect. Back to the topic at hand - a wish list (which excludes discussion of any current products on the market).

My Cloaking Wish List:
a) written in ml, nothing but ml.
b) 100% configurable from the web.
c) All "actions" based upon "any" header line - not just agent/ip.
d) cookie support. a cloaking program is the perfect spot to do header related work as a subtask.
e) logs, email alerts, server alerts...you name it - if it is recordable, I want to know about it.
f) speed (see #a)

jeremy goodrich

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Msg#: 176 posted 4:44 pm on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

I also would like to see one done in 100% pure ML.

Also on my list:

if anything strange or unusual happens, like a new ip for an engine, new c class, etc. I want an email, if I don't respond to the email, I want a voice mail, if I don't get that, i want the script to go through a pre programmed list of contacts to try and get in touch with me.

I don't want it configurable from the web, I want it configurable by voice. IBM has an API for speech recognition, and I want that pre installed, so that I can talk to the thing over my cell phone while I'm on vacation, and it will know what actions to take based upon my voice input.

Oh, and I want to be able to use it as a client package on any operating system, and run as an executable program server side on any type of box as well, linux, MS, etc.

One last thing about the voice configuration: I want to be able to pre select the type of voice it talks to me in, so that if I'm not at work, it speaks in pig latin, or some other secret code I predefine. And I want a neural net built in so that it adapts to my personal language habits, and I don't need to explicitly say the same dry commands every time.


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Msg#: 176 posted 9:13 pm on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

>what would be your perfect cloaking script like?

Each webmaster's needs are going to differ, there is no "perfect script." A small entrepernarial site is likely to need a simple easily managed and (comparably) cheap script, a large sophisticated site with a staff of people maintaining it may well want a browser sniffer, auto submitter and other bells and whistles and who cares what it costs!

INK seeks cloaked pages by visits from "shadow IPs," visits with a browser user agent from IPs other then those routinely used by spiders. Then they compare those pages to what their spiders saw. When they find cloaked pages, they bury them in the rankings. They've been doing this for some time. Northern Light now appears to to this as well, it's a fairly recent change. Build a script that can reliably detect and identify these shadow IPs and you will have something unique and valuable in the marketplace.


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Msg#: 176 posted 6:19 am on Apr 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well to be honest, I am working on 2 cloaking scripts. Both are going to be "Super User Friendly" but will differ in features. One is suppose to be made for people who are doing cloaking just for the hack of doing it, with no specific reasons, and second one will be for the smarts SEO's like you all. This script might be little bit complex when compared to the previous one - and yes the script is under development and would not like to predict anything at this time. I will put the script in beta-testing mode for aleast 2-3 months. As script is suppose to make few forcasts and generate little bit indepth reports. It will work pratically on any platform, and will help in creating templates. The main feature that *I* like is the ablity of the script to cloaking unlimited page [one for each search se] for any group of spiders [se's].


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Msg#: 176 posted 8:47 am on Apr 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

web t,

The cloaking script I have already has unlimited pages, IPs, user agents and searchengines. Topped off with email notification.


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Msg#: 176 posted 9:56 am on Apr 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Startup,

Thanks for your input, I appreciate that. However, *I* still believe that the features you are mentioning are pretty common on all the scripts. I know I am not the best in the industry [or may be I am - let me go and look at myself...] but I am wanting a script that will acutally *do* some work along with cloaking.

what do you say, what if there is a script that does all what your script does, provides log analysis like webtrend[or little bit better], alerts you about any abnormal activity, used cookies [optional], will auto[/manual] generate temp pages............. and many more features that I can find possible to build in the script.

Well to be honest, I have always believe "Our ablitly to desire is the limit", and as you can I am little bit hungry when it comes to quality.


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Msg#: 176 posted 1:53 pm on Apr 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

>It will work practically on any platform

I have yet to see a script work well on an NT box? (I don't have a choice)
I have tried a few of the scripts and have had not much success.

I like the idea of a web interface but automation is most important.
Like jeremy_goodrich said "..while I'm on vacation..." Not to big on the voice activated but the idea of it knowing what to do while I'm not there or having the ability to contact me when it's urgent.
I (like most) have a life outside SEO and enjoy spending time with the family and knowing that I don't have to worry about a site while I'm with then is worth much more than anything.

I would like a script for my database driven sites that have 20,000+ products that are pulled from SQL or MySql. There are scripts that convert .asp to .html and can deliver the html pages. Why not deliver them to the SE's as well.

Just my .02


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