| 3:19 am on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to WebmasterWorld
You can find a good list of the most popular commercial scripts here. [dmoz.org]
As you will see, they come in all shapes, sizes and price ranges. If you can provide more information about what exactly you are trying to accomplish, I'm quite confident the many cloaking experts that hang out here can help you figure out what general types of features would be best for your situation.
Once you have that nailed down, it becomes much easier to determine whether or not there is a commercial product that will meet your needs.
Edited by: WebGuerrilla
| 9:46 am on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Thank you for the link, well so far I'm leaning towards icsave.com
The one at make-it-online.com/sec.html seems very extensive but the prices are not what I would pay for a script.
But I like their extra page generation features.
What i am looking for is :
-Ability to easily update ip's en user agents, it would be nice if there would be some update service.
-Ability to to easily add other searchengines.
Most cloakingscripts just handle the top US searchengines, but ofcourse there are more searchengines than those.
The price range of icsave.com is not too bad, most of the others I think are too expensive.
I would be using it for multiple domains I own myself, not for my clients.
Hope you can give me some more advice.
Edited by: jamesbond
| 5:25 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I wonder what the guys at make-it-online would be capable of if they spent half the time on development as they do promoting covertly through url drops?
| 5:30 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Come to think of it, as SEO script promoter shouldn't have to drop his product url at all if the product was any good.
| 5:54 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Littleman, what do u mean with the url drops?
Are you referring to my post?
| 6:06 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I just did a search in google for cloaking and I couldn't find make-it-online in the top 100. Maybe you all should spend some time reading here? You'd think it would do better that that with all the artificial link popularity SEC gets from all those URL drops.
| 6:09 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
He couldn't have been JB, I don't see any links in your post.
| 6:23 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Air, I deleted the http:// part of that url, I guess that was what he meant, but I just wanted to make clear that people knew what I was referring too.
I didn't know people would take it the wrong way, but oh well. :)
In the meantime I still haven't decided what to go for.
I still think about choosing icsave, but I would like to hear about experiences with the several cloaking scripts...
| 6:27 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
By way of explaination, the sec guys are historical forum spammers. Some forums have went so far as to ban the topic. They are kind of the All Advnatage (sp intentional) of cloaking. Our tolerance for them is streched to the limit.
| 6:43 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Brett, thank you for explaining that to me.
| 7:03 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
007 you're in the right spot.
You're talking with some very capable people here in this forum.
In their modesty they wont pitch themselves.
The only script I am familiar with is ics and it is a remarkable tool. Well worth the money and it hasn't ever let me down. Support is 100%.
| 8:46 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I've just got ics and have found it very well thought out and comprehensive plus easy to put in to action via its interface. Although it is early days, I'm very pleased with the product and the support.
| 9:01 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Thank you for the responses,
How does updating the ip list work exactly?
| 9:22 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Does anyone have experiences with fantomaster spiderspy?
They seem to cover a lot of searchengines, european as well, how many searchengines does ICS cover?
| 10:43 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The ip list is a very important factor in a cloaking script. Having an up to date list is critical. However the script itself should also be able to determine other factors in the spider equation as well such as user agent.
Once again, I only know ics and can say that the members only area has a very current list.
IMO it looks like cloaking for every engine on the planet is a futile waste of time. I am leaning more towards AV, Ink, Google, and Fast. That pretty much sums up where all the traffic comes from.
| 11:02 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
BoneHeadicus, I agree that one should focus on the big searchengines
But in Europe the local searchengines generate a lot of traffic as well.
For example in the Netherlands (where I live) there are 2 major local searchengines.
So I would like to be able to include them as well, but I guess that shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
By the way, this really is a great searchengine forum! :)
| 11:35 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
If you go for a script with a large international database like Fantomaster, you give up the ability to deliver a separate page for individual engines. You also do not get the added features of additional browser detection functions that other scripts offer.
For most of my projects, I have found that a script that allows me to custom tailor pages for the major engines is the best way to go. However, I don't do much International SEO.
As far as IP databases go, I've found that from a notification and update standpoint, IP Delivery provides exceptional service. However, their script is a bit pricy compared to others and it lacks the web-based interfaces that come with scripts like ICS or Fantomaster.
| 12:49 pm on Mar 22, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Fantomaster spiderspy works and his botbase is updated every 4 hours providing what must be one of the most comprehensive spider lists around!
"If you go for a script with a large international database like Fantomaster, you give up the ability to deliver a separate page for individual engines"
I know that in the forthcoming upgrade of Fantomasters Bot base to a fully SQL powered database will allow for generation of customizable separate lists. When this will be I am not sure!
| 5:05 pm on Mar 22, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Fantomaster's list is very good. And there's no reason why you can't use his list to generate separate pages for separate engines.
There is a cloaking script that has a license to use the fantomaster's list, and serves separate pages to separate engines. I wrote it. However, I won't say what script it is here. But it is on that dmoz link in the second post =)