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Changing from a Unix server to a Windows 2000 server
grnidone




msg:656978
 6:16 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

I was just told that most firms are going from a unix based web server configuration to Windows 2000.

I have a hard time believing that. What have you all experienced?

-G

 

Mike_Mackin




msg:656979
 6:24 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

What is the name and address of the person who told you THAT ?

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[unix-vs-nt.org...]

(edited by: Mike_Mackin at 6:29 pm (gmt) on July 10, 2001)

toolman




msg:656980
 6:27 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm sure windows 2000 is a bit better than it's predecessor but I tend to believe ms is losing market share rather than gaining it in the web server market.

My whole philosophy is and has been that ms is a US-centric technology and there is no real motivation for the rest of the world to enrich Bill with his licensing fees when there are other alternatives that are open source and in most cases better products to do the job.

The web is an international market and to limit yourself by using ms-centric software is what I believe will be an unnecessary hindrance on down the road when we usher in a truly global commerce system.

jimbo_mac




msg:656981
 6:31 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

I having a hard time believing that myself. Why? Isn't that moving a step backwards?

NFFC




msg:656982
 6:34 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

>I was just told that most firms are going from a unix based web server configuration to Windows 2000

Yep, sounds correct to me.

"The survey shows 49% of the computers running the web are Windows based; a little more than all of the Unix-like operating systems combined....Although Apache running on various Unix systems runs more sites than Windows, Apache is heavily deployed at hosting companies and ISPs who strive to run as many sites as possible on a single computer to save costs. Windows is most popular with end-user and self hosted sites, where the host to computer ratio is much smaller."

[netcraft.com...]

bartek




msg:656983
 8:31 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

It'll be a *very* cold day in hell. Gotta see what the /. crowd has to say about this.

>I was just told that most firms are going from a unix based web server configuration to Windows 2000.

rcj will have a field day with those firms in the dot com morgue.

littleman




msg:656984
 8:49 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Statistics are great, with enough bending you could make them do what every you want.:)

The meat from the netcraft survey:
From May to June Apache's overall numbers are up 0.78% to a total of 62.24%, while IIS is down 0.14% to a total of 20.52%

The gragh [netcraft.com] shows it best.

toolman




msg:656985
 9:54 pm on Jul 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

This is interesting

[informationweek.com...]

grnidone




msg:656986
 2:53 am on Jul 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

From the informationtech article:

He also says it's easier to find qualified support personnel to manage Unix servers.

That is a point I hadn't thought about, but I could see how that would be the case.

It is difficult to find someone who *really* knows their stuff with an MS server. The people who are really good with Unix have been in unix a long time, and consequently, the operating system(s) -- whichever one you specialize in -- have not changed dramatically over the last 10 years.

ls -l still means "show me the list in a long form" just like it did 10 years ago.

With MS, there hasn't been that continunity, so it is more difficult to find someone who is really experienced with it.

Now, when you do find someone who is really good in an MS environment, they are usually *really* sharp. They'd have to be to pick up all that in such a short period of time.

-G

littleman




msg:656987
 6:52 am on Jul 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

Grnidone, I have to disagree with you. I've run across many thick headed MS tech guys. In the valley they spit out MS certifications like junk bonds.

Case in point, I have a client who has a dedicated Win2000 box. They have two full time tech guys. The server was spitting out double header information when a perl script was called via ssi. I hassled them for weeks to fix it, but then I realized they had no clue. So I did some poking around, and held their hands as they made a mapping adjustment. The irony of the situation was that I have never touched IIS, win2000,or NT. I just know how to poke around on the web a bit. I showed them the info I found, but that wasn't enough, I had to interpret it for them.

I know it sounds made up, but this really did happen.

bartek




msg:656988
 9:36 am on Jul 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

Agreed, littleman.. There are many paper mcse's out there that are *clueless*. Having invested in in formal (expensive) MS based education, I find it really sad. If I were to do it again, I would certainly go open source all the way. As far as OS wars go in the webserver market, a close friend with a very large Canadian ISP just about fell off his chair when I sent him the link. They run only 1 NT server and aside from daily reboots, it typically requires 5-6 hrs of maintenance a week. *nix? Most frontline boxes have uptime of 200 days +. No study, commercial or salesperson will convince me. NT has its place in the market - webserver environment is not it.

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