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Shopping Cart Software
Which one and how to make it SE friendly?
mnw

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Msg#: 72 posted 2:20 pm on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

What the general recommendation for a site with over 100 products? I've been looking at Miva Merchant, basically because it offered by most of the hosting companies I'm looking at (WestHost, DataPipe). Any others that are significant better? And how are you dealing with SEs in terms of making pages SE friendly to get ranked? Search Engine Killer for Miva? or some other way of producing pages that SEs won't choke on?

 

Marcia

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Msg#: 72 posted 9:41 pm on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>dealing with SEs in terms of making pages SE friendly to get ranked? Search Engine Killer for Miva?

mnw, I don't know specifically about Miva, but a lot of the shopping cart programs use all dynamically generated pages -not a good thing at all, particularly with noframes content coming into disfavor with Google.

I've seen sites where the entire product display is on dynamic pages, and I've also seen sites where the products are displayed on static HTML pages, with the actual shopping cart being accessed upon hitting the "add to cart" button.

I'm convinced that the second is the way to go - how to accomplish that I'm not sure about. I use third party credit card processing on some sites, linking to the shopping cart/secure server from my static pages, and one provider switched from Miva to Cybercart not too long ago. His shopping cart is used for multiple sites, including a mall situation.

A lot might depend on how you're setting up your product display pages and navigation system. I'm currently looking at shopping carts (and about to install the one available with the hosting I use, to try it out), and stuck right in the middle of a new site thinking of revamping the product navigation to incorporate thumbnail photos. This site will be switching to using a shopping cart in a few months, so I'm preparing ahead.

Also, some payment/gateway systems incorporate a secure shopping cart facility included with the credit card processing, on their server.

There are a lot of variables with this issue, and it's probably imperative to see working examples of each option to see which fits the particular client's need.

I hope someone who's had actual working experience with the commercial programs gives some input on this. It's a sizeable initial investment both financially and time-wise, so it would be good to have some authoritative information.

mivox

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Msg#: 72 posted 10:34 pm on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

My employer is currently using a slightly modified version of EZShopper 3.0. The primary program, with database management script added, comes in under $300, and the programmer is great about doing reasonbly priced custom modifications ($40-100 for the mods we got.) including credit card processing.

The shopping cart is template based, and offers very wide latitude in how you set it up (as far as using stirctly dynamic drill-down navigation, or using templates, etc.).

It can be used with more than one database file, so if you want to keep search times down, you can have one DB for each product category.

I'm not affiliated in any way with the product, but I've been very happy with the level of user-customization possible, and the ease of getting custom modifications done fromt he programmer. I think it's a fantastic program for the price range... if you're interested in visual customization, it beats a lot of carts in higher price ranges as well.

rcjordan

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Msg#: 72 posted 1:01 am on Jan 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just adding Dansie Cart [dansie.net] to the options. I'm not affiliated with the product, but I know that's been around awhile, it's relatively inexpensive, and works dynam or static. I don't know if it has any fatal flaws, perhaps someone here has used it.

Marcia

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Msg#: 72 posted 1:21 am on Jan 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

Ouch, I goofed - the one mentioned above that was previously used is Dansie, not Miva (reference is made in the discussion linked to following).

Also, a fact I forgot about that mivox post reminded me of, is that different shopping carts are set up to interface with different payment gateways (i.e. authorize.net). So the choice of who is selected to process real-time payments would influence the choice. The two are definitely inter-related.

There are also some security considerations, mentioned in this discussion from a while back:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Verisign's site has some interesting information on some of the issues, as does Mal's Ecommerce.

Edited by: Marcia

tedster

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Msg#: 72 posted 1:25 am on Jan 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

We're really happy with a third party service, Americart.

We have it on 14 sites, with no problems in SEO or transaction processing. It works with flat HTML pages, but for larger sites, you can also create your own custom template and maintain a database/spreadsheet in comma delimited form. It will turn out flat pages from your new data, whenever you want.

I also like that our sites remain completely portable -- nothing on the site's host server but HTML pages. I am not affiliated with Americart in any way except being a very happy user.

minnapple

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Msg#: 72 posted 4:50 pm on Jan 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

I like the flexibility of Americart, but Tedster do you see a problem with the lack of http(s) on the [cartserver.com...] .

Or have you found an alternative way to make it look secure to the savy shopper.

Minnapple

tedster

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Msg#: 72 posted 9:55 pm on Jan 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Is this what you mean -- the shopper doesn't get a secure server while choosing their items, but only after they "Go to Checkout" and then choose their payment method.
Well, after that point in the process, all personal data is sent to a secure server via via SSL, and the savvy will see the familiar secure connetion icons and the https:

This late arrival of the secure server in the buying process hasn't been a problem that I can see -- conversion ratios seem to range from pretty good to excellent on these sites. Part of this is due to Americart's constant work to improve the clarity of all their checkout pages.

I understand that some people design their whole cart to appear within a frameset -- and that can make it so the secure server is never obvious to the user, even if though the connection from that inner frame is secure. I never though about doing such a thing -- sounds like "suicide by frames" to me.


minnapple

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Msg#: 72 posted 11:41 pm on Jan 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Tedster,

The reason I ask the question is that I have a few sites on Americart and on one I find that a 78% back out of the purchase before going to the check out process.

I wonder if anyone knows if this back out rate is common on any ecom ordering system.

I see most are going back to the main site to shop some more then bail out.

I do worry that the security warning at the add to cart phase may cause them to doubt the security of the ordering process.

As far as the Americart System in general, I love the complete control you have in the design of the product pages, the vast tax and shipping options and the order reporting.

Also, the fact that your product pages can be static allows for some extra search engine material.

Minnapple

Oh yes, no frames - hate em'

tedster

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Msg#: 72 posted 4:43 am on Jan 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

I haven't seen any industry figures for about a year, but one year ago I read that 80% was the abandoned cart figure -- the study that I read considered that percentage to be a call to action. At first I was galvanized by the figure, but now I'm not so sure that the analysis was right.

Maybe it comes from my days in the supermarket business, but I've come to like "shopbacks", as we used to call merchandise abandoned before the final checkout. People picking up merchandise and almost buying it seems like a good thing, and shows that they're comfortable shopping with you. In fact, in the supermarket, our best days usually involved more than proportionally higher amounts of shopback goods.

I don't personally worry so much about abandoned carts, I watch conversion rates. IMO, that's where the rubber meets the road. If that number is low, AND the abandoned cart rate is high, then I'd probably do a usability study on the cart. But that hasn't happened so far.

If a cart is well designed -- both easy to use and fast -- it seems to me that people will use it as a sort of utility. So, you're not really "losing sales", instead you're giving people a way to play with the site and kind of fantasize about a purchase, checking out everything including total price with shipping and handling. It's like taking notes on a purchase that interests them. I know that I use carts this way, unless their unweildy, and then I just leave the site, most times.

Amazon and other sites now have a feature called a Wish List, which plays to this tendency in shoppers, and also helps the site tell the difference between actually losing a serious attempt at purchase, and the shopper who was just checking things out.

So, I always watch conversion rate, and not so much the abandoned cart number. That being said, I have one site that's close to 90% abandoned carts and another that's only about 20% abandoned (it has very high ticket items, and by the time the cart use starts, the buyer is highly pre-qualified)

The 90% abandoned site still converts between 3% and 4% (pretty high, I feel) and the business is profitable.

jennifer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 72 posted 6:13 pm on Jan 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

We just started using the Dansie cart with one of our clients - dynamic version - although I understand that it will also do static pages. We are setting up the site so that the home page is static with links to the shopping cart to allow for better optimization.

So far, it has been extremely easy to set up and any questions have been responded to quickly. (no, I do not have any affiliations with Dansie).

With another site we used commerce.cgi (I think that it is a derivative of one of Selena Sol's scripts) since the customer had a limited number of products (less than 100) and a very small budget. This is also working well.

grnidone



 
Msg#: 72 posted 6:39 pm on Jan 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Don't know if you have been properly welcomed to the boards, Jennifer, but thanks for posting and welcome!

-G

scott

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Msg#: 72 posted 6:54 pm on Jan 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WMW Jennifer! I've had my eye on commerce.cgi for a little while now. It basically has one aspect that really makes it appealing to me.....FREE....my favorite price!

Dealing mostly with local small businesses with little money to spare for merchant accounts and the like, I haven't had occasion yet to recommend a shopping cart. When I do, I think I'm leaning heavy toward commerce.cgi.

-Scott

GWJ



 
Msg#: 72 posted 7:16 pm on Jan 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have been using StoreFront [storefront.net]. It can use static pages (which is what I have been using) or it can use dynamicly created pages (which I am getting ready to go to next month). They have Acccess DB, SQL and Oracle flavors.

The down side is they rely on FrontP*ge. I think on the next revamp after this I will keep FP for the Storefront pages but move to Dream*eaver for all non product pages. I do not believe that the host has to be NT as I have been reading of people running on Un*x. Cost won't break the bank.

No I am not an affilate and I have no relations with them. Just used their product from day one.

Brian

physics

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Msg#: 72 posted 3:41 am on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

Guess I'll try Danise Cart as recommended above. Or, should I go with Alacart, which was included with my package on linuxwebhost. By the way, ahem, I have found the customer service to be pretty bad on linuxwebhost (some of my *important* emails were never replied to) and some of my pages load pretty darn slow. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive host (<$30 US per month) with good customer service. Another feature that I am interested in is free sub-domains, but maybe I can't have it all with out paying tons of dough.

Regarding the cart, I'm planning to link into the cart from static product pages (as any good SEO dude should ;))

Drastic

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Msg#: 72 posted 2:36 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

>good host

I haved used WestHost for over 2 years, with excellent customer service, and very competitive pricing. This board is hosted there, BTW.

Last time I checked (been a while) subdomains either weren't an option or weren't free.

BobB

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 72 posted 3:05 am on Jul 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi MNW,

We are also considering switching to MIVA MERCHANT 4.0 as our current host is going out of business.

One of the posts replied that HTML pages should be linked to a shopping cart for search engine purposes. True.

I understand MIVA can use your created HTML and dynamically created pages through their wizard.

If that's correct, that is the best of both worlds.

What would be important to me is how well SEARCH ENGINE KILLER works. That way one doesn't need to know HTML to max search engine listings.

Can anyone out there tell me their experiences with MIVA MERCHANT 4.0, the program, tech support, and using SEARCH ENGINE KILLER ?

As our current host is going out of business any day now, I need to switch ASAP so I would appreciate any insight from any of the nice readers here ASAP :-)

Thanks!

Bob

physics

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Msg#: 72 posted 12:15 pm on Jul 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

By the way, beware of the PayPal cart:
[webmasterworld.com]

nicebloke

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 72 posted 11:56 pm on Nov 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

I just finished a site using the dansie cart on static pages, and it's been an easy experience. The client paid the very modest installation fee (looks very straight forward anyhow) and the technical support, whilst hooking the cart up to a payment system has been nothing short of excellent.

physics

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Msg#: 72 posted 6:47 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

I've been looking over "Mal's E-Commerce", which is a free cart which looks great, with several options [I like it that you can have html links to the cart from your static pages without editing a database ...]. However, I don't think the shipping options are sophisticated enough for me. I have a site with two types of items:

Item Type A: Very light weight and easy to ship. I can ship up to 5 of these for $6.00 and then I guess after that I would like to be able to ship more for some reduced extra rate.

Item Type B: Very heavy and requires a lot of shipping. I would need to charge $20.00 for each one with no [or very little] discount for ordering more than one because they are so expensive to ship.

My problem is that I want to have a cart that can handle someone buying 4 of item type B and 8 of item type A for example. Is this possible without shelling out tons of cash or writing my own cart? I've been thinking of writing one in perl or possibly tweaking a cart script that is already written.

Anyone have any suggestions/experience with this?
Any idea of a free (or almost free) perl shopping cart program which I could tweak to handle shipping mathematically in my own evil ways? :)

physics

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Msg#: 72 posted 4:15 pm on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

OK, I was reading over the Danise cart page and it sounds like the shipping options are similar but they may be a bit better. Any hints on which is better?

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