10/10 for effort..
Just imagine if these guys turned their hands to legit business, they could wipe the floor with us all. Their so inventive and original.
How about the variation I got this week on the emails.
Lady claims she was victim of the scam and is now in Nigeria with no money and needs help.
All contrite about how stupid and greedy she was. Learned her lesson, blah, blah.
|Lady claims she was victim of the scam and is now in Nigeria with no money and needs help. |
Original 419 scam targets the greedy. Your new one goes after the righteous. A few include some element of both: the huge fund to be divided would be used for an immoral purpose unless moved out of the country.
Greed AND Righteousness. That'll work!
I simply dont take orders from some countrys, thats the best way for us.
we get those wacky Nigerians all the time...
Tell them its fine, and their stuff will be ready to go by close of business.
Let them get all greedy for a bit. Then, when they call wondering where the goodies are (after bragging to their bosses about the nice juicy shipment on it way) tell them company policy says you need shipping fees in cash, via Western Union. These shipping fees will be quite large, usually $200-300.
This is called 'freight bait' and was invented by legendary scambaiter TheFailure.
Once you have the scammer's cash, you must send him his order. This should not be from your choicest stock :)
The last one was a guy yesterday(mr. Smith) who wanted his package EXPRESS delivery to Nigeria... So I told him "Yes, sir it is all pakced up and will be in your hands on tuesday by 10:00am..." LOL
I see that I am not the only person wasting the time of these scammers. If everybody answered the emails, they would spend all day trying to sift through them. Making it a somewhat useless venture and hopefully resulting in them getting a real job.
i am ok with the money order but it will take me sometime to send u the international money order. and it will be more than the cost price so will want u to send the defference back to my clearin agent which he is in nigeria so when u get the money order pls cash it out remove the cost price and send back to the agent the rest of the money so that he can get started with clearin arrangement but it will have been very easy if u bank with WELLS FARGO BANK OF AMERICA that way u can get ur money pay today all i need to do is to wire the money to ur account and u will start the shipment to day.
best regard hope read from u soon.
MY REPLY: JUST send us the MONEY I will pay all the fees LOL
|I see that I am not the only person wasting the time of these scammers. If everybody answered the emails, they would spend all day trying to sift through them. Making it a somewhat useless venture and hopefully resulting in them getting a real job. |
Absolutely. Similarly, when I get those automated phone calls, I don't hang up. I put my receiver down on the desk to tie up the callers line as long as possible. (assuming I have some open lines)
The absolute worst thing that can happen to a 419 email scammer is for his 10,000,000 outgoing emails to produce 1,000,000 responses. :)
>i am ok with the money order but it will take me sometime to send u the international money order. and it will be more than the cost price so will want u to send the defference back to my clearin agent
Oh I know this one! Its the bouncing check for lots and lots where by the time you find out you've already sent loads of cash back to them, and the goods, hopefully.
Tell them 'fine' don't even cash it, make up a fake western union money transfer control number, (or better still Moneygram) and see how many trips they make to cash it.
Moneygram is better. You can make it for 10 times what they ask for but oops, you put a neighboring country on it by mistake - and they have to cash those in the exact branch specified..
You might also like to send them their goods.
They have to send DHL themselves, at their own expense. Its company policy for international shipments.
Don't think of these guys as scammers. Think of them as cutting edge environmentalists who pay DHL to take your heaviest trash away.
|Think of them as cutting edge environmentalists who pay DHL to take your heaviest trash away. |
Great idea. Many years ago, when NY City had a long garbage collectors strike, I remember reading about some guy who gift wrapped his trash every day and left it on the seat of his convertible to be stolen.
I've had my share of dealings with them. Here are some goodies:
-One actually called one day pretending to be a venture capitalist. When he never received a call back, that was the last of it.
-Another time, a Nigerian responded to an Ebay ad, offering twice my asking price but without going through the bidding process. It was supposidly for a cousin in England and he wanted it gift-wrapped. I forwarded the e-mail in question to ebay. This e-mail was sent despite the fact that the listing specially said "US & Canada only, no offers to purchase outside of Ebay accepted, item is drop-shipped directly to buyer (which would pretty much rule out gift-wrapping!"
I really think half these scammers just harvest e-mail addresses from webpages without actually reading what's on them. I've gotten e-mails addressed to "Dear Sirs" when it's obvious from the website that it's woman-owned, inquiries about whether we accept credit cards when the answer's right there on the site, and demands for shipment to Nigeria when we clearly state which countries we ship to (and Nigeria's not on the list).
At least you have to give them credit for persistance :)
|At least you have to give them credit for persistance :) |
What kind of credit limit and terms do you advise?
Interesting CNN Article on nigerian scammer [cnn.com] - finally, the gov't is doing something about it.
|finally, the gov't is doing something about it |
Not a chance. Nigerian letter scams have gone on for 30 years, thru many gov't changes.
How did those old letters get thru the Lagos Post Office without the gov't knowing?
So you mean the two scam emails I got today were really on the level?
Looks like more and more non-professionals will be hit by those scams. I've been around for a while so I usually know what to look for. However, they are also targeting private citizens whose only crime was posting a vehicle for sale on the net.
I posted my car for sale on Craigs(...), and within a day got 2 hits from the Nigerian scammers. In both cases, they try to negotiate and claim they want the car shipped abroad, ask for pictures and then it comes...they will send me a check, asking me to give the difference to the shipping company when they come to pick it up along with the title to the car in their name.
If an ecommmerce site gets hit by something like this, then shame on them. But how can a non-professional (web/ecommerce) know about it?
>>>If an ecommmerce site gets hit by something like this, then shame on them. But how can a non-professional (web/ecommerce) know about it?
hold on, if you want to sell stuff then you must be prepared for the risks whoever you are. taking the auto example, surely if you are trying to sell your auto on ebay or through classified ads you are trying to get more money than if you just went to the local dealer and selling to them. therefore you are hoping for greater gain at the price of exposing yourself to greater risk.
there is no such thing as an amateur seller, if you are trying to sell things you are in the game and exposed to the risks same as everybody else ... it is your job to protect yourself.
i always laugh at ebay listings that say, "we always get proof of posting, the responsibility is yours once we have shipped the item" -- no way, until i get my goods the responsibility is the seller's.
everyone has a weak or silly moment but generally a lot of this stuff is common sense, you don't need to be in business to know that they are scams, just like you don't need to be a doctor to know that those snake pills don't make you bigger.
"I really think half these scammers just harvest e-mail addresses from webpages without actually reading what's on them."
Absolutely! I've gotten many emails asking if we ship to nigeria, take credit cards, and if yes, send them my website address so they can see what products they want.
I'm insulted by those. At least put some imagination into the scams. Some of these guys are just getting lazy.
Hey, a had a check for me delivered to my local police station by Fed Ex. Now, the Nigerians can not understand why I do not rush out and cash it. They phone me everyday, and I tell that I will go to the bank on payday. It is driving them nuts that I am delaying.
Meanwhile, the police are laughing their *ss off.
It is so satisfying to know that I am wasting their time and money.
I have personally seen a legit order from Nigeria. Although, it was just one, and it was a few years ago. However, I am sure there is a good explination for this (ie: actual cc owner never saw charges).
As said above, sometimes it is just best to have a policy barring orders from certain places.
I run few dating sites and god know.. how much these nigerian irritates us.
we have made mail filters so that no mail passes without admin approval. because they used to send spams with the claiming money sob stories.
we receive monthly almost more than 10,000$ payments with stolen credit cards from nigeria. but now we are used to it.. we dont capture any payments which is from nigeria or related countries.
In India now a days a nigerian is getting cauth by police every month. they taken so much money from innocent people and now govenment is in action and we have special police cell for nigerians.. they come here to collect money and then they live in our jail forever.
One of the newer Nigerian scams is to cruise the online dating services. They reach out to lonely people and ask them things like to cash a check for them, send the proceeds, and then the cash ends up being a fake cashiers check or money order. Other times, they use a stolen credit card to send goods to your place and ask you to forward them to them.
I had a 23 y.o. Nigerian girl tried to solicit me on a jewish dating service for a similar scam. Needless to say that the probability of having a Jewish Nigerian is as likely as having a Jewish Pope! LOL
Anyway . . . I agree that if I could get a group of honest Nigerians to focus their efforts on online marketing biz dev. . . somebody could make a fortune.
|I had a 23 y.o. Nigerian girl tried to solicit me on a jewish dating service for a similar scam. |
Oh! THAT IS WACKY AND ZANY! Most likely that 23 year old Nigerian girl was a 40-something male.
Hi guys, dont you think its really uncool stereotyping and calling Nigerians scammers. There is good and bad in everyone. I am a webmaster myself. I also face the same problems as members are getting fraudulent mail through spam. Can anyone recommend a way to prevent and filter incoming mail or stop mail not sent from the site?
I am tired of these nigerians myself even though i happen to be one.
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