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eBay to buy Shopping.com for $620 million
snabbstart




msg:626320
 12:14 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

eBay plans to acquire Shopping.com in a $620 million cash transaction aimed at resuscitating the auction giant's slowing growth rate.

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tedster




msg:626321
 2:45 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reuters covers it here:

[reuters.com...]

Dc71




msg:626322
 5:24 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow this is some crazy news how much would you get for a parody site?

otc_cmnn




msg:626323
 5:52 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I like shopping.com and had high hopes for it's stock. Unfortunately it has been on the decline since the IPO last fall and has continually disappointed me with bad management decisions.

They want to make more money so they raise their minimum bids. This causes them to loose advertisers. So now they aren't making enough money so they have to raise the minimum bids again... They have done this to me twice already this year. They should have open bidding like Y!SM and G do. Let the market decide what your clicks are worth.

Hopefully ebay will better manage this great marketing tool.

Dc71




msg:626324
 6:23 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Exactly I think Vaghn had some great ideas " I use to chat with him in the affiliate channel "

Bad business advice I mean someone told me a name could be harmless as a ebay affiliate program so I did then like google just did " Stabbed me in the back " I tell ya the little guy gets it from all sides when your doing the big boyz a favor :(

redstorm




msg:626325
 10:58 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

shopping.com? This is the first time i heard of it. It does have a populare name. Maybe this it an important factor that the auction giant decides to buy it.
Since ebay has grown up, i think it should not consider growth rate No.1 for its development. Concentrating on internal management and customer service, Ebay may get a higher growth rate than it expects.

1milehgh80210




msg:626326
 11:07 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think modern business has a grow/aquire or die mentality.

wruppert




msg:626327
 2:01 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

High multiple stock prices (64 for ebay) are driven by the assumption of future earnings growth. What else would make ebay worth $52 billion? Deliver ever more earnings or watch the stock die.

nutsandbolts




msg:626328
 2:04 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just seems to be an incredible amount of money for a brand which isn't worth the money. Maybe I am missing something here?

Chndru




msg:626329
 2:10 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Shopping.com, Dealtime and epinions.. not bad of a collection?

sem4u




msg:626330
 2:17 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not bad at all.

From Reuters:

The purchase also gives Ebay's sellers a new sales channel and access to a new set of buyers. Shopping.com also has more than 400,000 so-called Epinion reviewers that Ebay said would complement its own community-feedback-based marketplace.

ryan26




msg:626331
 2:43 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Makes sense for eBay to move to a fixed price model like Shopping.com. "Buy It Now" has that function but doesn't appeal to me in the same way. Shopping.com appeals more to the non-tekkie, I think.

This will open up many new opportunities to encourage new shoppers to use eBay's platforms. Brilliant move. SHOP has also had some strong growth, which is what eBay needs to start showing.

carguy84




msg:626332
 3:50 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dc71, I tried...hard, but could not follow your post.

christopher w




msg:626333
 4:53 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting look at it here from Forbes based on info from Piper Jaffray:

EBay-Shopping.com Deal Made Out Of Necessity

"EBay's acquisition of Shopping.com is an acknowledgment of the fact that increasingly eBay buyers and sellers are looking beyond the eBay platform for online purchases, including the search for bargains and trusted merchants--two attributes that traditionally have been eBay's main offerings," said Piper.

Rest of this short article here [forbes.com]

Dc71




msg:626334
 7:23 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

My domain name which I can't mention is direct result of either one of their affiliates telling me " They use something similar " or someone that works their themselves telling me it was ok to use it. Either way later in the game they changed their tune quickly. Now they should be more concerned with image. But who am I to say either way I am just some classless unintelligent smoe right?

ie. boor.

maherphil




msg:626335
 8:10 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think this is a bad move for Ebay. Shopping.comís look ní feel is downright spammy and doesn't even rank well in the naturals. Although they have moved into France and are working on the rest of Europe I don't see the value in just another price comparison (pc) engine.

This pc space is very competitive. SHOP realizes this and puts a contextual advertising feed as the first 'pseudo-results' that you see.

Check out any product page and the first thing you see is ads. Secondly you'll see price comparison. I think SHOP found out that doing PPC arbitrage brings in more money then price comparison. Is this really what ebay needs? Sounds like more of a speculation on increasing CPC arbitrage...in the end, google + OV win.

just saw a change after writing the above...looks like SHOP just changed their site to have the price comparison at the top and the ads are now at the bottom as 'additional resources'. Must have done a quick switch-a-roo just before the ebay anouncement.

Give it a month...the ads will be back at the top.

corbing




msg:626336
 8:48 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think SHOP found out that doing PPC arbitrage brings in more money then price comparison.

I don't think SHOP agrees with you. This is from their March 2005 SEC filing. Please make note of the last sentence.:

Revenues. Our revenues consist primarily of revenues from lead referrals; they also include banner and sponsorship advertising revenues and a small amount of other revenues. Our revenues were $21.0 million for the three months ended March 31, 2004 and $28.9 million for the three months ended March 31, 2005, including revenues from lead referrals of $19.3 million and $27.3 million for the three months ended March 31, 2004 and 2005, respectively.

The increases in our revenues reflect growth in the volume of lead referrals to merchants and other listings providers, which rose from 67.7 million in the three months ended March 31, 2004 to 82.3 million in the three months ended March 31, 2005, and average revenues per lead referral of $0.286 and $0.332 for the three months ended March 31, 2004 and 2005, respectively. The increase in lead referral revenues was caused by a higher volume of lead referrals as a result of greater consumer usage. Revenues per lead referral principally increased as a result of the Company increasing the minimum price per lead referral in April 2004 and February 2005. We anticipate seasonal fluctuations in our minimum price per lead referral, including a planned summer decrease and a planned increase in the fourth quarter 2005.

Banner and sponsorship advertising revenues remained relatively flat at about $1.6 million, for the three months ended March 31, 2004 and 2005. We believe that banner and sponsorship advertising revenues will continue to comprise less than 10% of our total revenues in the future.

sean




msg:626337
 1:35 am on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Phil, I would argue that Shopping.com is a full-featured comparison shopping engine, not simply a price comparison engine (i.e. PriceWatch). Who can match Shopping.com's depth in areas like attribute-based product search?

weeks




msg:626338
 2:31 am on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sean is right. I used it in buying a new high-end amp recently.

The New York Times will quote from its results to give prices on electronic gear they review.

The site makes money and dovetails well enough (albeit, not perfectly) with eBay.

This is a win-win-win-win for shopping.com, ebay, consumers and savvy marketers who know how to use a good network.

But, as anyone hanging out on this web site for more than five minutes, web marketing is not for the kids any more.

Dc71




msg:626339
 3:42 am on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Impressive heck I would do a 301 redirect on my domain name for half that, probably would get more traffic to with a network of over 30 universities. Would do worlds for natural rankings of course if I was google bowled and my website was pulled out of 50 percent of searchers eyes that would make it less atractive.

Back on topic though Shopping.com is a great site I use it all the time to get competitive quotes for products I list.

maherphil




msg:626340
 5:16 am on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

corbing, good point only ten percent of their income is from ads and I understand the affiliate partnerships is really what ebay is buying. I'm just saying that having a 600x600 ad space below the header is not a 620mil business.

sean, their attribute search is better then most but I hate it when a website lies to me. They'll put the phrase 'full description' as if the page contains that, as a non href; to have folks think they have more information on the product...when they really dont. Obviously it's just the 'desc' database field = null, but why seo on that when you know you dont have it in the db.

skibum




msg:626341
 6:35 am on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is their revenue from Google really that small?

The increases in our revenues reflect growth in the volume of lead referrals to merchants and other listings providers, which rose from 67.7 million in the three months ended March 31, 2004 to 82.3 million in the three months ended March 31, 2005, and average revenues per lead referral of $0.286 and $0.332 for the three months ended March 31, 2004 and 2005, respectively

According to MarketWatch [marketwatch.com] (which is by no means always accurate)

.......At the same time, 45% of the comparison-shopping engines' revenue comes from Google.

AdSense may very well be classified as "lead referrals" cause it's not banners and Shopping.com has some of its own sponsorships. If there isn't content in Shopping.com to match a search, AdWords always shows something.

walkman




msg:626342
 3:36 pm on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

> At the same time, 45% of the comparison-shopping engines' revenue comes from Google.

so, with ebay's PR and backlinks, ebay.com/shopping will essentially drawn everyone else.

canucks1980




msg:626343
 6:39 pm on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ebay is trying to compete with Amazon.com I wonder what the next big shopping site will be?

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