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Basically, your shagged, there is nothing you can do so kiss goodbye to the cash.

Didnt you suspect something was wrong?

I'm in a similar line of business and we must receive 2-3 orders a week like this, I dont reply, just toss them in the bin, which is what you should of done.

Also, sorry to say but this posting is probably not going to be of news to any readers here. It's a constant joke in the industry.

Gawd I hope his insurance company isn't MY insurance company. We've had enough rate increases for stupid reasons.

There is no need to sell to third world countries. You won't make money from them. How do I know that? Because most of the world's largest, most sophisticated retailers only ship to NA, West Europe, Maybe HK, Japan and the Pacific. No Africa at all. Mexico perhaps. Not sure about South America.

Wal-Mart, the last I checked, doesn't even ship to CANADA! (I'm sure it has nothing to do with fraud, tho)

I have a couple of phone numbers for you. They won't help your current problem, but can come in handy in the future.

I think, these numbers:
> International Credit Card Validation
> Visa 800-847-2911
> M/C 800-307-7309

True. I've shipped a few iffy small orders to coastal-cities forwarders without problems.

In case of a questionnable order I'd prefer to dial one of these numbers, than lose my money (btw, I am not in the USA).

It might be non-free outside USA, they still does not cost you a fortune :)

There are visa central numbers for France , UK ,Germany etc they are the ones that used to be called when you hired a car to confirm your balance ..In Europe I think that visa central at least is at home ( in Ireland )reachable via freephone numbers that depend on where you are ..

Your bank can get the number for you that is nearest to your for credit card verification ..

so what!

as you have taken a customer not present transaction they can reverse it at any time.

Hubcap, every online merchant probably gets bitten once w/ Nigeria or Indonesia fraud order - consider it your initiation rites, so don't feel bad.

Actually, international cc fraudster has gotten more and more sophisticated. It's harder to spot them when they use a transshipper (i.e. business w/ USA address that forwards packages to foreign countries).

We've also seen an order from an Indonesian city, with Japan as the country. The postal system (I don't know whether it's US or Japanese) is smart enough to figure out that it should have been shipped to Indonesia, and forwards it to the fraudster.

Some of these individuals are making me out to be a complete fool for filling such an order. Don't you guys think that if I suspected something, I would have backed off from it? The first order I filled for this guy was legitimate. The credit card was in the person's name with a Lagos, Nigeria address. The only thing that was off was the zip/postal code. And that $200+ transaction went fine with no problem. And that was over 2 months ago. But for the next purchase they gave a different credit card. I didn't think anything of it. I personally have many credit cards and I use each one. So why should I think that I was being hung?
Comments like "Gawd I hope his insurance company isn't MY insurance company. We've had enough rate increases for stupid reasons. I just dont have much sympathy for stupidity that costs me money and leads to more African spam." are really uncalled for. I posted here for advice & help, not sacrcasm & criticizm. Believe me, there WILL be more people after here and you WILL be posting these same messages over & over again. Credit Card fraudsters are just like auto mechanics .. it's not simply enough to know how to fix cars up to the 80's; you have to keep educating yourself to fix newer cars each year or you'll be out of business. That's the same way it is and will always be with CC fraud. They'll keep streamlining & enhancing their techniques to keep up with the times.

I'm surprised that the first order was fine - very unlikely that anyone from Lagos would buy hubcaps all the way from the US.

The odor of fraud is all over most of these orders. Don't worry about the one sophisticated scammer in a thousand (like that Canadian bad check passer). As with most crimes, 99% of crooks are idiots and can be spotted a mile off.

Watch out for huge orders to unsavory places that want fast, price-is-no-object express shipping, and you will eliminate almost all fraud. Use the telephone and google to check out people and companies. Be quick to say no.

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Didn't you wonder why a store in Lagos Nigeria wanted 30 Corolla hub caps...fast?

thing is, nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world and there is so much information on the internet about nigerian credit card fraud that there is no excuse for missing it. it's part of your job as a businessman and a merchant to find out things like this. there is much more to being a businessman / merchant than having the ability to tap a few numbers into a credit card terminal ............

>>The first order I filled for this guy was
>>legitimate. The credit card was in the person's
>>name with a Lagos, Nigeria address.

extremely unlikely because mastercard and visa do not issue credit cards in nigeria. check the visa / mastercard websites for card issue countries. it's clear as day. no questions, no ifs, no buts.

i'll bet the card belonged to someone with an american / english sounding name. that would be the name of the real cardholder almost certainly in the USA. the nigerian that placed the order has a completely different name.

you've been stung big time. the nigerians think you a fool and will come back again and again. they will tell their friends and they will place orders as well. be very careful ........ also watch out for them placing orders with delivery to shipping agents / forwarding addresses in the US .......

>>That's the same way it is and will always be with
>>CC fraud. They'll keep streamlining & enhancing
>>their techniques to keep up with the times.

The Nigerians have a word for the suckers they scam, Muguman. Look up that word in Google.