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Fraudulent Indonesian orders, any other shopping sites getting these?
Don't fall for it!

 5:20 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Our site has received many fraudulent orders from Indonesia. I've looked at all of the referring links from .in and they call it carding. If you're not careful, you will be ripped off. In one case, the referring sites were hosted by Tripod, and with a little e-mail, the sites were taken off. There was a lot of info on how to obtain fake names and #'s. Now we don't even accept orders from Indonesia. Is anyone else getting these orders?



 5:26 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Indonesia, for some reason, is a hotbed of credit card fraud right now. I would recommend checking the validity of these orders very carefully.


 5:50 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

I get a bunch of these orders. I removed Indonesia from the list of countries I will ship to so they use an Indonesia address and say they are from Australia.
If you want to play with them you can credit the account they used on your site with an odd amount of change and ask the customer to email you with the correct amount of the credit before you process the order.
I noticed they are also sharing some of their information with a few folks in Romainia so keep an eye out for them also.


 6:15 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can confirm this. I got an order from Indonesia last year in summer. Also Eastern Europe is a nest of fraudulent orders. Fortunately I could smell the rat. Sometimes they want to have it shipped to another country - like Singapore but also to the US. The best protection is common sense. Be suspicious if "the buying pattern" is somehow different and if someone wants everything ASAP. Another sign of alarm: giving you two or more credit cards to split the amount. The two credit cards were different only in the last digits.

Look at www.sothebys.com. They restrict participation in their online auctions to about 25 countries in Europe, North America and Japan. They did not have it when they started and I guess they were badly burned.


 6:36 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Was surprised to see this listed here because I am not only getting lots of "orders" from Indonesia but now they are coming from my own email address but the IP which is captured often show the same number if the orders come within a few minutes.

I haven't accepted order from Indonesia since last year. I heard that UPS (or FedEX) was going to stop shipping there but not sure that is really true.

(edited by: nancyb at 6:36 pm (utc) on April 10, 2002)


 6:36 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

It got so bad for one of my sites that it banned anyone from the Asian Pacific Network. The only trouble with that is we have some very good customers in Australia who also use the AP Network. It's very troubling.


 8:08 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

I get lots, but this isn't really on topic for the Google forum (unless you notice this as specifically being a problem with visitors from Google;)).


 8:29 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry, this is my first post. I don't know how it ended up under Google.


 10:23 pm on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

yep, i've had these and so have my clients and other people i know. the orders i receive appear to be totally legitimate with US names and addresses - i check them on infobel.com. however, if i run a whois on the domain name in the email address, i often find the name is registered to someone with indonesian connections or the terms "bandung" or "hacking" or "carding" in the address. phone numbers on the whois details are often "1-111-1111-1111" or similar.

a friend also had one from carder.org using a name and address from the US, and the whois shows a russion living at 1, red square, moscow.


 3:03 am on Apr 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting......I thought I was the only one getting these. The first three - I smelled the funny little rat's presence almost immediately. I launched off a bunch of inquiry emails to the "temporary email addresses" - but no replies. Saved thousands of $ just by being a little cautious.


 3:21 am on Apr 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

>> Be suspicious if "the buying pattern" is somehow different and if someone wants everything ASAP.

Sounds like the way I shop online. ;)


 7:39 am on Apr 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

E-mail names with unusual spelling should alarm you as well. These are actual e-mail addresses buyers used to place international orders:

* zero instead of the letter O - sh0p2dr0p@cs.com
* ph replaced for f - phreaker@hackpalace.com


 2:36 am on Apr 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

"hackpalace"?.....I'd be a bit worried on that one anyway....

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