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Really Trying to Make the Switch
Help me break my IE habit...
stuntdubl




msg:584083
 12:35 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just can't seem to do it! I like the status quo, and have to much else going on to adapt to the learning curve. I want my toolbars JUST like they are, but none of the security holes.

Any advice on switching? I think I'm deciding on firefox (though opera is a close second). I'm still hooked on those pretty green pixels, and "blogger" button of the G toolbar...is there any hope for me?

My other biggest frustrations seem to be managing my favorites, and the "links" bar that I use VERY often for quick access.

 

cwnet




msg:584084
 12:39 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just switched to Firefox and WOW!

I dont miss a thing from IE. The little green bar is annoying me anyway and the Google search is build in.

But best of all are the tabs!

vkaryl




msg:584085
 12:54 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

stuntdubl: all of my IE favorites migrated just fine. The only problem was moving them around like they used to be, since that's not how they "landed". I did that one evening after a particularly stressful day at work and an even more stressful drive home (that was the day I VERY narrowly missed annhilation by an idiot in my lane on a blind curve at 70 mph) - it was the perfect no-brainer relaxation/downtime/de-jitterer....

Since I moved to FireFox, I have NOT ONCE MISSED IE (believe me when I say I was a typical "stuck on IE" user prior). And I have all these wonderful folks here at WebmasterWorld to thank for helping me decide to switch!

D_Blackwell




msg:584086
 1:01 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Change is strange." Give it a week. Stay strong. Only use Firefox, and begin to familiarize yourself with it. Can't imagine you'd ever go back after that. The extensions available for customizing Firefox are endless.

I still remember thinking that I would never change from 800 x 600 resolution. I finally switched to 1024 x 768 for a few of FULL days. Now, outside of testing, I use 1280 x 1024 exclusively.

stuntdubl




msg:584087
 1:04 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I know you're right...just gotta stick with it...one day at a time...deeeeep breaths....

The bookmarks thing is killing me though...where do I import my bookmarks from IE? Can I drag and drop them somewhere? I can't seem to find the command, and the "import" under the bookmark manager doesn't seem to work for mass importing.

I love all the great developer extensions, and I'm sure they will be useful...must...stay...strong...

skippy




msg:584088
 1:11 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tabbed browsing and the web developer extension make the switch more then worthwhile… Kind makes IE 6 seem a little like the NN4 of today.

D_Blackwell




msg:584089
 1:26 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Try the Mozillazine Forum [forums.mozillazine.org] It can be hit and miss, but there is a lot of knowledge there.

vkaryl




msg:584090
 1:30 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

stuntdubl: go to "Bookmarks", "Manage Bookmarks" - you'll find the "import" selection there.

Hang on bud, we're with you!

stuntdubl




msg:584091
 1:37 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks guys...dedicated the last hour to it, and I think I'm gettin' there. Just too many great plugins to play with. :)

I'm real excited about the RSS plugin. Anybody else got any favorite plugins?

I guess the pretty green pixels are my only last hangup. There's just some type of warmth in good PR;)

coopster




msg:584092
 2:01 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I spent the better part of the day downloading and playing with Firefox. I used Firebird a bit back and still have a copy on another development pc. I thought it was OK, same with Mozilla. I use a lot of different browsers, including IE and Opera, but have to admit that I am hooked on Firefox now for preferred browsing.

The only thing I am missing is the devedge multibar that was offered by NN. I am in the process of retrofitting it to Firefox. Hopefully I can nail it down, I absolutely love that feature, especially the hotlinks to HTML and CSS specs.

wattsnew




msg:584093
 2:58 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well done stuntdubl, you're getting there.

Moving to Firefox amazed me when I did it after the last IE scare a couple of weeks ago. But it's miles ahead of any previous Mozilla (I was a loyal Netscaper from launch 'til 4.7).

Download a theme or two to get the right environment... sort the toolbar icons for comfort...

Don't know about you, but I really didn't check out the little green pixels that often during surfing - at least not with any intent. And PR is not as big a component in positioning as it was. I miss other G toolbar functions but there is a Firefox extension for some of these - I must try it.

I keep IE parked in the garage (not idling) for the occasional PR and layout check. My issue now is how to keep IE bookmarks, er Favorites updated (about 8,000 of them - NOT alphabetically ordered!) from Firefox without ruffling my feathers.

Hey now, if there was an OS as slim and efficient as Firefox....

D_Blackwell




msg:584094
 2:59 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

The biggest hiccup for me is that I REALLY liked hand coding right out of notepad. This is just too much of a pain when using Firefox. I've got Textpad, but I only use it if I need to see line numbers or to spell check. Not having notepad open as default has been a big problem. Anybody know how I can do that? I installed mozedit, which has great potential. It is listed as an inactive development and I'm still awaiting a response to an inquiry. It has several bugs, though I'm using it fairly extensively. My main concern is that that project may be stuck. Sure would like to set notepad as a default option.

vkaryl




msg:584095
 3:05 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Might one enquire as to what you are referring when you state "little green pixels"?

stuntdubl




msg:584096
 3:17 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>little green pixels

PageRank.

Yes, I know it doesn't count as much anymore...I know all the reasons I SHOULDN'T want to see it...but more green pixels than white ones still makes me feel all warm and fuzzy;)

BTW...Firefox is going great...pretty sure I'm officially goin' "cold turkey" (well mainly) off I.E.

Thank you for your support:) So far, I really like the:

  • RSS extension
  • View CSS extension*
  • User agent switch extension*
  • "Blog This" by right clicking
  • Tabbed browsing
  • Saved tab sessions
  • Form Loader extension definitely has potential as well.
    ...and certainly more to come

    *denotes previously been experimented with.

    [edited by: stuntdubl at 3:20 am (utc) on July 6, 2004]

  • wattsnew




    msg:584097
     3:19 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Wow - just noticed there's a Bookmarks SEARCH :o right on top of the Bookmark sidebar! No more digging seven directories down...where the xml did I file that...to learn it's somewhere else!

    And the Googlebar is great...many items I've been using.

    Little green pixels = PR gauge. Still missing that on Firefox.

    W

    isitreal




    msg:584098
     3:19 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    stundubl: add 'all in one gestures' to your list, check out 'tab browser extensions' for amazing amount of tabbed browsing options, don't use the page cache ones though, they end up bogging down the system, bug, memory doesn't seem to get released or something.

    Get the web developer tool bar, it lets you do a lot of stuff, including doing live editing of css from other webpages. too many features to list here, it's getting better all the time.

    'Copy plain text' for copying and pasting from web pages to other documents without copying the formatting, very nice.

    coopster: the webdeveloper toolbar has hotlinks to w3c specs, under 'miscellaneous -> w3c documents.

    D_Blackwell: the mozex extension allows you to assign applications for things, like text editor, telnet client, etc. Once installed it's an option available a few ways, right click on screen, select editor from list of defaults, doesn't replace the default source viewer but adds program source options.

    The IE favorites should have been imported automatically when you installed firefox, they are under something like 'imported IE favorites', if I remember right, same file structure is preserved, just use 'manage bookmarks' and pull your favorites out of that folder and back to the root favorites level.

    I've been using the phoenix/firebird/firefox series since 0.5 or 0.6, can't remember when I did the full switch, plus no ads, no cost, open source, free software, where programming decisions are based on what the user community wants and needs, not what some company has decided you want or need. When I use IE I feel like I'm using very weak, dated technology, feels like crippleware, corporate computing at its blandest, it's supposed 'pluses' like active x junk are now finally becoming seen as what they are, security holes that just add more targets for the world's hackers to get into your box.

    If you do advanced CSS stuff you will soon be cursing all other browsers, IE, Safari, even Opera, Firefox will spoil you with it's amazing CSS support, it's what the web could be if MS hadn't monopolized the browser/OS market then gotten lazy with their browser program, IE is fast becoming the NS 4 of our day, a browser you hate but have to use for testing pages. [hint: true full length 3 column div/css layout with no tweaks, no fake background images, just figured that one out, possible since gecko 0.9, Opera 7 was close second on that one but needs one tweak, but gecko is years ahead...]

    Can't wait for the same choice to develop with Linux OS's, if those guys could just get the small/tight clean programming thing Mozilla finally figured out, windows would be in serious trouble, I'm still waiting though, gets closer then further, one of these years... sooner than later though.

    [edited by: isitreal at 3:57 am (utc) on July 6, 2004]

    vkaryl




    msg:584099
     3:21 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    >little green pixels

    PageRank.

    Oh. *shrug* ZERO interest in that from me.... Sorry....

    D_Blackwell




    msg:584100
     4:26 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    isitreal - I got the "mozex" - got hung up - and then found out that I also needed to get "show old extensions" to get at mozex after it was installed.

    Now that I'm in - under mozex preferences, commands, source - I am supposed to enter %t temporary file name. How do I know what this is for notepad (or in general)?

    isitreal




    msg:584101
     5:05 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    If you have firefox 0.9 you should have been able to install mozex as a normal extension, then once it's installed you just double click on it to modify it.

    C:\Windows\notepad.exe %t [or c:\winnt\notepad.exe %t if you are using w2k or xp.]

    for long file names do this:

    c:\progra~1\editpl~1\editplus.exe %t

    that's just an example, in this case for:
    c:\program files\editplus 2\editplus.exe [first 6 letters of name + '~1'

    It doesn't accept long file name paths like c:\program files\... you have to change it to dos notation.

    Mozex is a very ugly hack, in the most negative sense of the word. Its functions should be included in Mozilla/Firebird. Mozex is not intended to become a "standard" tool and it definitely should go away as soon as possible. mozex page [mozex.mozdev.org]

    There seems to be a problem with how it translated linebreaks from unix to windows, unfortunately.

    =======================================

    To speed up firefox read this recent thread [webmasterworld.com].

    vrtlw




    msg:584102
     5:23 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    I dont miss a thing from IE. The little green bar is annoying me anyway and the Google search is build in.

    But best of all are the tabs!

    I agree with the tabs and although I missed the green bar (to begin with) I soon got used to the lack of PR scale.

    D_Blackwell




    msg:584103
     6:02 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    If you have firefox 0.9 you should have been able to install mozex as a normal extension, then once it's installed you just double click on it to modify it.

    I do have 0.9, but there wasn't anything to double click. It didn't appear on the extensions list until after I added "show old extensions". I only came up with it because a search led me to the possibility of that being necessary. Maybe it has to do with the upgrade from 0.8.?

    I'm a little closer now.
    I used C:\Windows\NOTEPAD.EXE %t for the browser "Source" and it works perfectly.

    My main goal, "Textareas", continues to elude me. I can't get it to work as an editor. I went back to the well with the same path as I used for the other, but it doesn't work.? (I'm in a bit over my head here too. Maybe too far:)

    coopster




    msg:584104
     8:32 am on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    >>coopster: the webdeveloper toolbar has hotlinks to w3c specs, under 'miscellaneous -> w3c documents.

    Yes, I was aware of that. I moreso was looking for the multibar though, so it could be viewed in the sidebar pane. Installing from here ( [devedge.netscape.com...] ) worked for me. (First run crashed me, but it seems to be working now).

    henry0




    msg:584105
     12:11 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Is anyone using Thunderbird mail as a combo with Firefox?
    your thoughts? any problems exporting ot importing lists?
    Thanks
    Henry

    Leosghost




    msg:584106
     12:17 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    henryO ..you can't get t'bird to import from outlook so you gotta go via moz and then clean up after all the stuff that moz leaves even after its own uninstall ...

    stuntdubl




    msg:584107
     1:19 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Okay...I'm really enjoying this all. Wishing I would have made the switch sooner;)

    Problem now is...I like it a little TOO much and I have like 6 different toolbars;)

    I can't seem to find a way to unlock them and "stack" them so that there are a couple in each column. Any help?

    coopster




    msg:584108
     2:58 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    View¦Toolbars¦Customize (or right click on your main toolbar area). This allows you to drag and drop stuff where you want it. I'm not sure how flexible each of the extension-type toolbars are though -- this is where that multibar sidebar that I mentioned earlier comes in so handy.

    coopster




    msg:584109
     3:13 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Another nice feature is the ability to take your browser with you:

    Run Firefox from removable media [texturizer.net]

    D_Blackwell




    msg:584110
     3:48 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Is anyone using Thunderbird mail as a combo with Firefox?
    your thoughts? any problems exporting ot importing lists?

    Thunderbird may not be ready for everyone yet. I've heard grumblings about it's bugginess yet. (Still only 0.7)

    Receptional Andy




    msg:584111
     4:14 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Hmm. I played around with customising toolbars, and now my address and search boxes have completely disappeared. They're not listed in the list anymore either :(

    Any ideas how I get them back?

    coopster




    msg:584112
     4:32 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

    View¦Toolbars¦Customize¦Restore Default Set

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