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Microsoft Loses $520million over IE
Brett_Tabke




msg:568602
 5:57 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

A federal judge on Wednesday upheld a jury ruling that Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer (IE) Web browser infringed on a patent owned by Eolas Technologies Inc. and the University of California, and ordered the company to pay $520.6 million in damages.

[infoworld.com...]

 

grahamstewart




msg:568603
 6:00 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pocket money to BillG - but "Yaaaay!" anyway :)
Though admittedly the Eolas patent appears to be completely bogus

EliteWeb




msg:568604
 6:10 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tons of money... Would have liked to been in that court to watch how the MS lawyers do it :D

martinibuster




msg:568605
 6:13 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

The fight's not over yet. Many influential people are behind MS on this one for many good reasons. The judged stayed the injuction until the appeal has run its course- which is a good thing.

bcolflesh




msg:568606
 6:14 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Regardless of your feelings about MS, this is a bad decision, as Eolas' patent is bogus - and this decision could easily sink every other browser maker.

korkus2000




msg:568607
 6:25 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>but "Yaaaay!" anyway

Not a good thing even if you don't like the company. Punishing a company over a bogus patent only hurts software developers. This also hurts web developers.

ds98127




msg:568608
 7:37 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

The amount is insignificant .. but it is anyhow not over yet..
Don't yu think it is a bit hard on judges in these issues...just thinking ..are the judges well versed with the field

eola's patent is bogus
i always thought otherwise ...kindly share some details or sticky them since the thread issue is a different one.

woop01




msg:568609
 7:57 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pocket money to BillG - but "Yaaaay!" anyway :)

I know, it's not like the guy spends his money buying pro sports franchises or anything good for the community like that. Him and his wife just pissed seven billion away on that stupid AIDs epidemic, vaccinating millions of children against diseases, and by buying computers for low income area libraries. That scum bag.

bcolflesh




msg:568610
 7:58 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

This sums it up nicely:

w3.org/2003/10/27-rogan.html

korkus2000




msg:568611
 8:00 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

More info about it:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Essex_boy




msg:568612
 8:10 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Stop knocking Bill, to get where he is life you have to walk all over people. At least he uses his money for the good of humanity.

Like him or loath him this may not be the best of rulings.

Clark




msg:568613
 8:44 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Before he got married and got a PR company for personal stuff, he was famous for NOT giving. Either his wife or a PR company convinced him to have a heart. Good for the charity, and the choice seems a good one, but will he make it past the Pearly "Gates" to heaven because of the PR donations? That's up to a "higher" authority. (flame away)

phoenix09




msg:568614
 9:20 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Stop knocking Bill, to get where he is life you have to walk all over people. At least he uses his money for the good of humanity.

I assume this is a joke.

The only change is that he's starting to grow up and realize the value of PR and the political process, eg funding the party that will help him the most, which he's been doing extensively. There's nothing good or valuable about walking over people, crushing competition, etc. as your business MO. Lots of other very good software/hardware companies have done just fine without that kind of practice, or at least not his level of that practice.

The main thing he uses his money is to try to extend the scope of his monopoly, the 'good works' are just PR designed to fool people, and reflect a tiny portion of his net worth. I guess it's worked, unless this posting is in fact a joke

RonPK




msg:568615
 9:25 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Let's discuss HTML and Browsers, shall we. Has anyone heard or read something recently about the announced new version of IE?

bcolflesh




msg:568616
 9:29 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

windowsbeta.net/modules.php?modid=3&action=show&id=5

Purple Martin




msg:568617
 10:10 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm concerned about the Eolas decision. If it's upheld on appeal then Eolas can also sue every browser maker and Macromedia and Sun... and the money they'll all have to pay will be recouped from higher product prices. In other words, that's not just Bill's money, it'll be ME that has to pay up more!

albert




msg:568618
 10:13 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

mb said:

Many influential people are behind MS on this one for many good reasons

Would like to know about those 'many good reasons'.

grahamstewart




msg:568619
 10:34 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

> Would like to know about those 'many good reasons'.

"Removing the improperly disruptive effect of this invalid patent is important not only for the future of the Web, but also for the past,"
"The '906 patent is a substantial setback for global interoperability and the success of the open Web,"

- Tim Berners-Lee

The Eolas patent covers the ability to use a plug-in, but as Tim points out there is a strong case for prior art..

For example, more than a year before the claims of the '906 patent was filed, a word processing program called Write, provided with Microsoft Windows 3.1, enabled users to embed into Write documents graphic images created with the Paint program

albert




msg:568620
 10:50 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

If that were reasons, ok for me.

Why I doubt reading about influential people, good reasons, and MS?

Jbrookins




msg:568621
 10:59 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sadly, so many people in our industry are blinded by a hatred for microsoft (though they never actually did a thing to said individual, interestingly) that they totally overlook the other ramifications.

Anyone and everyone using this "patented" technology would be open for lawsuit, and no one has the money to stand up for themselves like Microsoft does.

Not only does it open up every browser maker (including free/open source non-profits) for legal proceedings, but it affects everything we do as developers and even users.

That plugin is what makes Flash and other media content integrate seamlessly with your website. Eolas, at one point, has even attempted to claim any work arounds as infringement and expect to be paid exhorbitant yearly fees by the browser/media software creators to keep using it (something like $50million).

Microsoft will just pay up and stop supporting it, but where does that leave Mozilla, Opera, and other smaller browsers? In essence, Eolas is trying to destroy the internet as we know it by patenting technology that was public domain.

grahamstewart




msg:568622
 11:02 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

As someone who is always suspicious of Micro$oft I sympathise. But if Tim and the rest of W3C are backing MS then there has to be a 'good reason'.

Read it in full at:

W3C sides with Microsoft against Eolas patent [infoworld.com] at Infoworld

and

W3C Presents US Patent Office with Evidence Invalidating Eolas Patent [w3.org] at w3.org

albert




msg:568623
 11:13 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

This might be OT for that thread but some posts can't be left w/o answer.

Maybe MS is fighting with the good this time. But whoever remembers what they've destroyed during the last 20 years might be a bit - uhm - shy about them.

I'm quiet now, sorry.

grahamstewart




msg:568624
 11:26 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe MS is fighting with the good this time. But whoever remembers what they've destroyed during the last 20 years might be a bit - uhm - shy about them.

Totally agree, hence my initial "Yaaay!", but having caught up on the details of the case this has quickly turned to an "Oh cr*p".

sidyadav




msg:568625
 11:50 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

damn, I don't know why these people are edicted to suing Microsoft, I think Microsoft gets about 1,000 sues an year!
Atleast $3 billion loss of money.

Sid

gethan




msg:568626
 12:29 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ridiculous patent - agreed.

How many similar patents does micro$oft hold?

I can appreciate the irony in M$ being caught in a trap they so often threaten on others but the real problem here is the ridiculous patent system that the US has...

mep00




msg:568627
 1:27 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I don't get is how object embedding is any different than an external library function call. More complicated, maybe, but substancially different? I don't see it.

penfold25




msg:568628
 3:57 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

ye, i see all the rich royalty around the world funding stuff as much as he has.(im being sarcastic) He may not be the most nicest guy, but at least he DOES spend money on good things rather then keeping it in a vault.

Hopefully they will turn this lawsuit on its head.

eWhisper




msg:568629
 4:04 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

So many people are on MS's side in this - you'd think they'd try harder to make some good PR about how they are fighting for everyone.

I see people jumping in to support MS (which is good - they need to win this round). AOL did some very good PR with the music sharing lawsuits trying to show who's side they're on - why isn't MS doing this for the general public? This lawsuit could change a lot, and you don't hear about it on the tv news.

wackybrit




msg:568630
 4:46 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

He runs one of the largest charities in the world, and has given away almost half of his peak net worth to worthy causes. I guess giving $520m to the smart patent jockeys will be much the same.. hey, it's putting money back in the economy! ;-)

satanclaus




msg:568631
 5:23 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

jbrookins pretty much said how I feel. I would think this gets overturned during the appeal though.

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