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I'm done with IE
crashed for the last time
too much information




msg:563615
 7:37 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, I've officially had it with IE. It is the only program I run that cosistantly crashes my machines (Mac and PC) It freezes up, it hogs memory, it's slow, and I'm sick of it.

I have spent long hours reworking pages just so they would look good on all versions of IE because it is popular. I think I am now going to work until my pages validate, then recommend that my visitors try Netscape, Opera, Safari or whatever else is out there.

The most irritating thing is I use my browser to look at my sites, check my logs, search for link exchanges, etc. and that's all. It's not like I'm trying to download the world or anything.

If I could get Safari to not do a text wrap to the window I would have switched long ago because of the text box limits in IE for the Mac.

Now if I can just convince Google to create a toolbar for the Mac, or even one for Netscape 7...

 

too much information




msg:563645
 1:36 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

WOW, is this thread still alive? Amazing.

I have a copy of Firebird on my Mac, although I think it would be hard to beat Safari. And I'm giving Opera a try on the PC. (I rarely use the PC, but when I do IE crashes, go figure.)

Now I hear that Microsoft is working to include its OS in ATMs. Now THAT is scary! Maybe now your checking account will come with a 'free' copy of Windows... debited from your account automatically of course. ;)

I hate the recommended resolution thing too. My theory is, if it doesn't look good for a wide range of settings, the design is wrong.

HarryM




msg:563646
 1:48 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

You know I hear MS being slagged off so often that it always makes me think that the person complaining is doing something wrong and not realizing it, just blaming MS.

What anyone uses as a personal browser is a matter of choice, but it is only common sense to check out your own pages with IE. If they don't display properly you will put off most of your visitors.

It's also pointless trying to bully visitors into changing browsers. Probably about 95% of browsers in use are IE, and the majority of people have never heard of Opera or Mozilla. They just use what comes with the PC.

tedster




msg:563647
 1:48 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The primary reason they were successful was because of their pre-existing branding.

Not so sure about that. Part of the reason, perhaps.

The primary reason I see was that MS figured out this was an operating system/software business. While their competitors focused on sales of proprietary hardware MS encourages inter-operability among tons of clones.

When you look at it in hindsight, it doesn't seem all that remarkable. But the shift from selling the tangible to selling the intangible was a rather profound, penetrating and somewhat risky step.

So, yes they are rough on the security side of their software and their browser. Part of that is BECAUSE they are so successful. When malicious people want to do damage they target a spot where resources are concentrated. And so they target IE and Outlook when they create exploits.

too much information




msg:563648
 1:54 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not doing anything wrong here, just browsing. Not to mention that out of all of the browsers I use, and on both Windows and OS X, IE is the ONLY browser that crashes.

It crashes on both OS's and nothing else does. I'm not your average Joe Surfer, and I don't think anyone on this board is either. ;)

tedster




msg:563649
 7:17 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I crash Opera 7.11 (my default browser for now) at least once a week -- but I do tend to throw a big demand at it. However, Opera recovers so gracefully from a crash that I forgive it very easily

Netscape 7 also crashes on me, as does Mozilla Firebird. HOwever, I use them a lot less, so I would guess that they still crash more that Opera.

But yes, IE is the queen of crash, and I only use it when I absolutely must.

hartlandcat




msg:563650
 12:07 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

that if it wasn't for these two companies most of us wouldn't be discussing the subject. ;)

Because IE would be unable to crash (since it wouldn't exist). I believe computer technology would be ahead of where it is now if it wasn't for Microsoft, not behind, like I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) you are suggesting.

txbakers




msg:563651
 4:03 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe computer technology would be ahead of where it is now if it wasn't for Microsoft, not behind, like I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) you are suggesting.

Do you have any facts to back up this wild assertion?

It's easy to simply make accusations at a large target, a bellweather DOW company which has been in business longer than many of our members have been alive.

A company which provides a product which nearly 90% of the world's population uses without complaint or difficulty.

Sure, there will always be malcontents, and all software has bugs, but if you really want to start a discussion about that topic you should have some facts to back it up.

[edited by: txbakers at 4:37 pm (utc) on Jan. 1, 2004]

HarryM




msg:563652
 4:18 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to show there is another side of this argument, I run a system with multiple partitions, multiple OS's including MS and Linux, just about all the browsers I can get my hands on (including 3 versions of Opera), but for choice I use the partition with Win2K and IE6. I throw everything at the system and browse extensively and everywhere, including pages with Asian fonts, and I have never had a single crash since the system was last rebuilt over a year ago.

I put this down to sensible housekeeping, not luck. Nothing gets on my main partition unless it has been fully tested, and that even includes MS updates.

bedlam




msg:563653
 4:53 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Do you have any facts to back up this wild assertion?

It's easy to simply make accusations at a large target, a bellweather DOW company which has been in business longer than many of our members have been alive.

A company which provides a product which nearly 90% of the world's population uses without complaint or difficulty.

Sure, there will always be malcontents, and all software has bugs, but if you really want to start a discussion about that topic you should have some facts to back it up.

...err... How about facts to back up the wild assertion that "90% of the world's population" uses computers or software in ANY form whatsoever? You do realize that there is a hefty chunk of the world's population that does not even have access to telephones, right..?

-B

tedster




msg:563654
 4:54 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Back to more of a browser focus, the one main complaint I would have about IE is that MS appears to have done very little about error recovery. When it crashes, it does so in a very nasty fashion. I get total freezes that require a power down reboot.

In general MS doesn't have a good track record on error recovery. It's as if they can't imagine a scenario where the program won't work.

Leads to some humorous messages at times - my favorite:

Not Responding is Not Responding

Almost a mystical Chinese proverb. If I could have taken a screen shot of that one, I would have.

So if MS would just work on the error recovery thing, I'd be a lot happier. After aggressively grabbing the browser market, they now seem to have abandoned the care and feeding of the property they spent so much energy to acquire.

txbakers




msg:563655
 4:58 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

...err... How about facts to back up the wild assertion that "90% of the world's population" uses computers or software in ANY form whatsoever? You do realize that there is a hefty chunk of the world's population that does not even have access to telephones, right..?

thanks, you're right, I meant to say 90% of the world's personal and business computing population.

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