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NS 6 is a real eye opener...

 4:44 am on May 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just for the heck of it ( since I saw my first UA as gecko) I installed NS6 and visited my newly redesigned site.

Wow what an eye opener...kinda like the web tv viewer. What I found however, was the rendering problems were due to the stricter adherence to the w3c standard and less "forgiveness". When I dug in I quickly spotted the simple errors and cleaned them up and then everything was fine.

I think css is becoming the glue that you can use to make your site as browser compatible as possible.



 5:45 pm on May 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Me, too, toolman. At this moment, I don't think a purist use of CSS is practical (no layout tables, etc.) But the more I learn and use CSS the more trouble free my pages seem to be, cross browser and cross platform.

I'm so impressed with the potential, that I started devoting an hour a day to studying the O'Reilly CSS book. I don't want to learn CSS the way I started in HTML, accumulating bad habits I'll need to break later, just hacking around hit and miss.


 6:37 pm on May 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I figure if everything checks out in N6 and Opera, I must have my code up to snuff... then the trick becomes making it work in everything else without breaking the nice code I started with.

I can't wait till everything becomes that strict and standardized... after a few months of adjustment, my job will become much easier.


 7:01 pm on May 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm so impressed with the potential, that I started devoting an hour a day

I need to start on the discipline kick again and get back to studying feverishly. I spent a year on the books and got up to par and now it's time to "kick it up a notch". I definitely want to learn PHP/MySQL and the css thing will be a big factor in the whole process of making it all seo friendly.


 5:26 pm on May 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

what about the talk recently that there is no point in learning all of this cross browser stuff... since flash can do much more, in less time, and is cross browser.

point: isn't flash simply going to take over web development?


 4:46 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld.

I think the concensus is that flash has too many problems to be the dominate interface for the web. One prime one is that it doesn't index.


 5:06 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Standard Vector Graphics (SVG) looks like it has the future potential, and it has the W3C nod at this time as well. It will help with fonts and images, be indexable, and also show all the plusses that Flash offers. But that's the future, and websites also need to function now, hence the cross-browser concern.

I've been using the MSIE6 preview lately, and I notice that it accomodates more non-standard code, even as it also supports more standards. The Netscape 6 approach seems to be "if it's not standard, I won't render it", making it more of a litmus test for proper coding.

The average user will probablyt prefer Explorer, and not appreciate all the current site designs that blow up on NN6. But the designer can use Netscape as a better "tester".
Right now it looks like MSIE will continue to dominate the market. I could not recommend N6 to my mother, for instance, even though it cam pre-installed on her new e-machine.


 5:42 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

i develop all of my prototypes on ie5+, since that browser is hands down the best one out there, vml and z-index/background control for flash being just two of the features which make it so.

regarding flash: those are minor problems that can be fixed, either by developers or in later releases of the studio. i think a lot of flash development, now, is bad because it is done by designers who don't really understand the medium, and don't think beyond visual effects. but when some smart developer really pushes flash, integrates it with a non-trivial backend, thinks of just how to advance interface design, the frustrating x-browser issues and silly use of useless browsers (ns<6 and opera) will kill serious "html only" development


 6:22 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

I can understand a predeliction for developing prototypes in Explorer. However, each browser is free to interperet many sections of the W3C recommendation in various ways. Microsoft does not have a lock on the "truth", but they have developed a very serviceable browser -- and so has Opera.

Alternatives keep things healthy, and I find Opera to be a highly viable alternative. I hope we never end up with only one way to render a website. IMO, that's the road to stagnation, no matter how comfortable it may be.


 8:21 am on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)


Couldnt agree more with you about Flash, it is an excellent tool and has only been given a bad name through poor design (Im not talking graphics design).

In the furture we will see most of the problems with indexing etc wiped out as Macromedia overcome the obstacles.

Do you have a URL which explains z-indexing?


 11:57 am on May 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

We've successfully managed to index flash pages by using hidden frames.


 4:06 pm on May 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

The z-index is a widely supported CSS-2 feature which determines the stacking order when more than one object is rendered at the same screen location. Any positive or negative integer is a legal value. The greater the number, the closer to the top of the "stack".



 8:16 am on May 25, 2001 (gmt 0)


yeah thanks, I meant in flash though ;)


 5:33 pm on May 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Oops! I thought you were going to try the CSS z-index to place spider food underneath your .swf file

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