littleman
msg:620287 | 10:06 pm on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0) |
This will be a good thing for Mozilla. AOL has done so much wrong with Netscape. From the outside it seems that AOL played Netscape as a bargaining chip 99% of the time and didn't care about the Mozilla project at all. IMO, aol never took the long run, imagine the power they could have wheeled if they had a good 30 to 50% of the market using their browser.
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copongcopong
msg:620288 | 10:22 pm on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0) |
hmmm .... AOL bought Netscape .... which is a mistake .... OpenSource to the rescue to cut their cost .... used Netscape to sue IE .... Microsoft pays AOL .... AOL kills Netscape. what a shame.
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txbakers
msg:620289 | 10:39 pm on Jul 15, 2003 (gmt 0) |
OOH! Say it's true, oh say it's true! That would be wonderful. Where else has this been reported?
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tedster
msg:620290 | 1:23 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
From a recent (5 hours old) news release at News.com.com [news.com.com] | America Online on Tuesday said it has laid off 50 employees involved in Web browser development at its Netscape subsidiary amid a reorganization of its Mozilla open-source browser team. The move affects less than 10 percent of Netscape employees, according to an AOL representative, who added that the company plans to continue to support current versions of the Netscape browser and the Netscape Web portal. "Netscape remains a key part of our multibrand strategy," AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein said. "We will continue to support the browser and the portal." |
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That means the news is less "final" than it might have first seemed. [edited by: tedster at 1:36 am (utc) on July 16, 2003]
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thewebboy
msg:620291 | 1:25 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I wonder what the fate of dmoz.org will be.
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Namaste
msg:620292 | 6:14 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
see the new www.mozilla.org this move of cutting staff, etc. looks like a planned exit by AOL...it will do Mozilla good. Now, where is that GoogleBar with PR when we need it the most?
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WebDon
msg:620293 | 6:49 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Maybe as a stand alone (more or less) organization Mozilla will be able to make some headway. Could AOL just be loosening it's grip a bit so that it can get the benefit of the next 5 or 6 years of open source community development in time to have an alternative to IE when it's 7 years is up?
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Imaster
msg:620294 | 7:14 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I am more interested in knowing what the fate of Dmoz would be? Would Google buy it off now?
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humpingdan
msg:620295 | 8:23 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
so does this mean there is no more netscape?
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lazerzubb
msg:620296 | 8:25 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Well i would define it to, there is no AOL/Netscape mozilla anymore or? Webproperties etc, will still continue to be run like normal or?
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Pete_Dizzle
msg:620297 | 8:37 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I never liked AOL. They haven't done one thing right in the history of their corporation. I think it's better for Mozilla. the "why use Netscape 7.1 vs Mozilla 1.4" is just confusing to users. Now we can just say, use Mozilla it's the best.
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Hester
msg:620298 | 8:43 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Yowser, new layout at Mozilla.org! | AOL, Sun Microsystems, Red Hat, and other companies will continue to support Mozilla through the Foundation. |
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ncsuk
msg:620299 | 8:45 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| I never liked AOL. They haven't done one thing right in the history of their corporation. |
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Look at the amount of subscribers they have..! I know lots of people wh are very happy with there service. I personally wouldnt go near it and I agree whole heartedly with your opinions but this is obviously some kind business tactic. Personally I love Netscape 7.1 and if it was a bit faster to open etc and didnt eat as much memory I would use it over IE6 everytime.
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Hester
msg:620300 | 9:01 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Am I the only one who finds the default skins for Netscape 7 and Mozilla revolting? I can't believe you get the same icons as Netscape 4 in Mozilla! Those disgusting purple and green blocky graphics that should have been deleted long ago. While Netscape 7 has a sickening shaded purple look. The first thing I do when installing Mozilla is track down the latest version of the Orbit 3+1 skin. Why this isn't the default instead of a 1995 browser's icons I'll never know. What does Firebird look like? I heard they're going for a new look. The screenshot on Mozilla.org looks like IE!
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claus
msg:620301 | 9:10 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
So it seems that the rumors about IEs death were somewhat exaggerated and that Netscape is perhaps out of business in stead?! Or is it, that IE is now some OS-component and Netscape is a portal? What a week this has been! Slightly OT; this simply has to make some bells ring in the web developer community, so that coding according to standards will increase ;) /claus
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Hester
msg:620302 | 9:27 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Netscape dead. IE resting until new Windows comes out. Mozilla and Opera here we come!
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Pete_Dizzle
msg:620303 | 9:29 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| Am I the only one who finds the default skins for Netscape 7 and Mozilla revolting? I can't believe you get the same icons as Netscape 4 in Mozilla! Those disgusting purple and green blocky graphics that should have been deleted long ago. While Netscape 7 has a sickening shaded purple look. |
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Totally agree, the modern skin should be enabled by default.
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Hester
msg:620304 | 9:38 am on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I always assumed it was to help people migrate from Netscape 4. But why dress a much more advanced program to look like an old-fashioned bug-ridden one? Now that Netscape is seemingly dead, this practice should be discontinued.
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MrSpeed
msg:620305 | 12:15 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
In the article it says, "Internet Explorer is currently used by more than 90 percent of Web surfers, according to site visitor statistics published by Google." Anybody know where this page is?
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claus
msg:620306 | 12:21 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
MrSpeed, they are probably referring to this: Google Zeitgeist: [google.com...]
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kyr01
msg:620307 | 1:02 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| Am I the only one who finds the default skins for Netscape 7 and Mozilla revolting? |
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No, that makes at least two of us...
But I love Opera 7, and all these changes sound good for its future.
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rogerd
msg:620308 | 1:08 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I've been saying for ages that DMOZ would be much healthier if it were spun off into a private foundation... I think the Netscape move could be a model, sort of, for that kind of change. AOLTW derives no business benefit from DMOZ and receives plenty of abuse for its shortcomings and its apparent stinginess. What better solution than to spin it off? They could provide enough capital for the first year (at minimal operating levels), and stop their bleeding (as small as it may be). The new foundation would be free to seek new funding sources. If anything, its clear-cut non-profit status would be heartening to volunteers, particularly those that work hard to make DMOZ special while its wealthy corporate parent starves it. Is it time to start a DMOZ spinoff pool? ;)
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tedster
msg:620309 | 1:19 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Given these statements | The move affects less than 10 percent of Netscape employees |
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and | Netscape remains a key part of our multibrand strategy |
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I wonder where the reports of ripping Netscape logos off the building came from.
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Hester
msg:620310 | 1:59 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Well this is where the original quote came from: [mozillazine.org ]
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choster
msg:620311 | 2:03 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
[daniel.glazman.free.fr...] sounds to me like a frustrated employee who has been laid off, not like a business journalist. That depends on the future of "Netscape Communications Corporation" (an AOLTW brand). ODP is funded by Netscape but is independent of the business divisions. And although it started out as directory.mozilla.org, I believe that was simply an instance of Netscape stamping a name that it owned on a newfangled open content project. The browser and server software development teams are/were not connected to the ODP management. And the ODP Terms of Use have nothing to do with the MPL (just as GNU infamously wanted nothing to do with Gnuhoo.com :-) ). AOLTW utilizes ODP-based technology to manage content for its Netcenter portal (future admittedly uncertain), and as it seems everyone in the world has noticed, they have made a long-overdue hardware investment by adding half a dozen new servers. Perhaps they will kill Netcenter (which hardly anyone visits any more) and give the ODP a nice sendoff, but then why hand all that value over now, when they could have had a nice tax writeoff after incorporation? In the long run it is fun to speculate about the future of the ODP, but for the short term it doesn't look like things will change much. And ODP staff has indicated the same to editors.
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Hester
msg:620312 | 2:25 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
You know I'd never even heard of dmoz until now. I wondered what it was so I looked at the website. Pretty boring and similar to Yahoo if you ask me. (I hate plain blue links and heavy Times text. Not even a hover effect.) But then I guess looks don't count if it's a great tool.
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Hester
msg:620313 | 2:44 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Alrighty, take a look at the Web Standards Project [webstandards.org] website for a rounder view on this whole situation. I've never seen so many posts appear so quickly on there! (Lots of links to further information.)
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WileECoyote
msg:620314 | 6:06 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
More on this...
[internetwk.com...]
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tedster
msg:620315 | 6:18 pm on Jul 16, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| You know I'd never even heard of dmoz until now. |
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Hester, DMOZ is the source of the Google Directory - and a zillion smaller directories as well. A link in the DMOZ is a major shot of juice for most any website. Many crawlers start their crawl with the Open Directory.
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