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mozilla 1.0 release ?
PsychoTekk




msg:583596
 6:52 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

have i been sunbathing too long today?
what is it about the mozilla 1.0 release? i thought
the final version should come in fall?
and i just get 404s?

 

littleman




msg:583597
 7:56 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yeah, it's official. Mozilla 1.0 is out today. They are probably getting hammered! Check it out:
[mozilla.org...]
[mozilla.org...]

mikegram




msg:583598
 7:56 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

It didn't screw up my pages!!!
WooHoo!!

Been playing with it for about an hour now. So far so good.

moonbiter




msg:583599
 9:07 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yep, according to mozilla.org:

Mozilla 1.0
Stick a fork in it. It's done.

EliteWeb




msg:583600
 11:12 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

MoziLLa 1.0 congrats to their developers! What a good feeling they must have. Who here just downloaded 1.0, if you havn't I suggest hitting up their web site and getting a copy.

You always want to be sure that your pages are compatible with all the browsers, and Mozilla 1.0 is out.


Time for that Mozilla Launch Party!@!#
What are YOU doing After Work?
[webmasterworld.com]

jatar_k




msg:583601
 11:18 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

oh so sweet, so far

i might have a new favorite. mozilla and opera are neck and neck so far.

OhMyPixel




msg:583602
 11:25 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

hey its pretty nice. And remember the good ol' "about:mozilla" easter egg in the 4.X versions? Try it in the Mozilla 1.0.

cool eh? Anyone wanna translate?

heini




msg:583603
 11:55 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nice one. Good work.

papabaer




msg:583604
 12:06 am on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

The future of Web Standards support is certainly looking brighter. Now that MOZ 1.0 is official, Opera 6.03 the best yet, and Netscape 7.0 out and about... I wonder when we will hear some noise from M$IE? I'd bet anything that some SERIOUS work is going on; the new crop of browsers are just too feature laden to be ignored.

jatar_k




msg:583605
 6:38 am on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

have to mention.

view source has syntax highlighting. It may be on some browsers but I have never seen it before and could be the neatest thing so far.

I am more and more impressed, maybe I might even use less of my long beloved NN 4.x.

maybe

Lisa




msg:583606
 6:47 am on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok, I will still use IE. Here are my reasons.

Netscape 4 was years old and rendered CSS horrible. I stopped using it altogether or even testing my sites in it.

With Netscape 6 I thought it rendered much better. The app still freezes up on me, so I will not use it. But I do test sites with it.

With Opera 6 I thought it was fast, but I hated that banner ad built into it. I don't understand how a company can charge for a browser. I thought the browser war proved that the free browser wins. They need to give away their browser if they want market share.

And finally, with Mozzila 1.0. I like it. It looks like it renders everything correctly. I am impressed.

But when it comes down to it. I will use IE, MSIE is just as good if not the best I have seen as of yet. I am not aware of anything that MSIE can't do. Except those cool mouse motions in Opera for navigation. Is there something I am missing. But I donít think there is room to compete with MSIE. The only reason to compete is if you are AOL.

Josk




msg:583607
 12:42 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

So IE allows you switch of various parts of Javascript? (which means *no* popups) An tabbed browsing so that you don't have zillions of windows everywhere?

Just downloaded 1.0. For me RC3 had problems doing view source, and the DOM browser and these have been fixed. Also themes seem to work a lot better, and hopefully there will be a lot more of them now 1.0 is released!

cyril kearney




msg:583608
 1:08 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Having put up with the 'tower of babel' of different web browsers in the past, I can see no reason to do it again.

IE is the design standard and the companies I consult to are not willing to spend there budget for developing and testing browser specific coding. If it works like IE fine. If not forget it.

Can anyone tell us any new feature or features that the average consumer will be using?

Are the only real virtue of these second level browsers just an anti-Microsoft statement?

Josk




msg:583609
 4:40 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well...

(a) the next aol client may be based on it
(b) if you code to the standard then all browsers will be able to understand your html, not just a buggy, insecure browser
(c) netscape will be using mozilla as well

littleman




msg:583610
 5:14 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

cyril, what are you going to do as a web designer when AOL's 33 million subscribers are using the Gecko engine?

papabaer




msg:583611
 5:50 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can anyone tell us any new feature or features that the average consumer will be using?

There are far too many advanced features already being used by those who have tried Opera and Mozilla to list here. Opera offers useful features that allow navigation via mouse and/or keyboard control, a real ZOOM function, javascript and plugin control and MDI or SDI browsing, just to list a very few. Mozilla, likewise offers advanced (and very useful!) features not found in MSIE.

The Web Standards movement is the focus for the rendering engines of the new browsers, not propriety coding. MSIE made advances in this direction with v.6 and Standards Mode that ignores some of MSIE's previous propiety CSS such as colored scrollbars, there is however, still much that MSIE needs to do to in this area.

The point is: Web Standards browsers will all read and interpret standards compliant code similarly. No one will need to code for a specific browser. CSS and XHTML will provide the tools to create compliant, cross-device code.

Competition among browser should be fought over interface, feature sets, functionality and security issues: not propriety coding. Thankfully, this IS the direction we are headed. From a feature set, useability and security viewpoint, MSIE has a long way to go to reach parity with Opera or Mozilla/NS7. I have no doubt that M$ is taking a cold, hard reality check and seeking ways to implement these features into MSIE 7. They have no choice....

HyperGeek




msg:583612
 7:04 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mozilla even uses the same icons as Netscape.

This confuses me - I don't understand where Mozilla starts and Netscape ends.

I know that all browsers are basically built around the Mozilla framework - but what advantage(s) does one gain by using Mozilla instead of IE or Netscape 6 (which is actually becoming USABLE for once)?

I believe that, after you take into consideration the latest and greatest CSS/scripting ompatibility, et al., the browser that allows you to customize it's look the most will be the winner.

I'm waiting for WinAmpZilla 1.0 :)

aeomac




msg:583613
 7:46 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

ok i know this is trivial...but i really dont like using my mouse unless i have to. Is there a hotkey to get to the address bar in mozilla? i cant seem to figure it out =)

HyperGeek




msg:583614
 8:35 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

aeomac: Ctrl + Tab

john316




msg:583615
 8:54 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Are the only real virtue of these second level browsers just an anti-Microsoft statement?<<

Cyril:

Some folks just like to have a choice when it comes to computing; of course you could interpret that as an anti-Microsoft statement.

Brett_Tabke




msg:583616
 9:10 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Is there an alternate click/key modifier for "open in new tab in foreground" or "open new tab in background" that doesn't involve the middle mouse key?

>view source has syntax highlighting.

Is there anyway of getting rid of that -- that thing -- and using a standard text editor? (it is the worst thing about moz for me).

Other than that, anyone have any speed tips for speeding up Mozilla?

>>Are the only real virtue of these second level browsers just an anti-Microsoft statement?<<

You mean other than the fact that ie/outlook are vulnerable to 95-99% of all computer viruses?

2+ decades of computer usage and I've never owned an anti-virus program and never caught a virus. My secret? I don't do microsoft when at all possible.

papabaer




msg:583617
 9:34 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Case in point: [cnn.com...]

Just too many security issues to chance. One site I visit has a IE Forum where at least a third of the posts seek help to remove some exploit that changed registry settings and installed hostile .dlls - some of these are a real b*tch to remove. Scary!

aeomac




msg:583618
 9:52 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I look at this from a completely different angle.
What we webmasters use as a personal browser is not really important.

Personally i dislike netscape(browsers) -and its not what 85% of my users visit my sites with. Of course the 2% NNAV are internal and very vocal =/ but i digress...

the AOL 33 million is a big number this browser will definately be on the QA teams list.

What's important to me as a webmaster is that this browser is W3C compliant(is that 100% true?)...web pages/applications can be tested in this browser first - as a pan-browser benchmark, if w3c compliancy is your stichk. This is great if you only have the resources to support a minimal range ofbrowsers.

- aeomac

moonbiter




msg:583619
 10:39 pm on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

This confuses me - I don't understand where Mozilla starts and Netscape ends.

Mozilla is essentially a technology demo and a development toolkit. The intent is to create an open-source codebase which developers and vendors can use in their own products. Netscape 6/7 is one commercial implementation of Mozilla (albiet one with close, incestuous ties to the Mozilla project ;)).

As to the question that others have asked -- "what's the point of Mozilla" -- I'll just quote the Mozilla project:

Mozilla is open source and free software Ė any person or company is free to:
  • run the program, for any purpose;
  • study how the program works, and adapt it to their needs;
  • redistribute copies at will;
  • improve the program, and distribute the altered version.

Which means that application developers have much more leeway when working with Mozilla than they do when working with proprietary software like Internet Explorer (MSIE).

Plus, Mozilla runs pretty much the same on scads of operating systems, while MSIE is basically limited to two (well three, if you consider that OS X is essentially just a form of Unix). MSIE for Linux, anyone? Thought not.

Furthermore, these two (three) version of MSIE can -- for all intents and purposes -- be considered totally different browsers, seeing as they behave so differently on these different platforms. For the most part, this isn't true of Mozilla.

Hmm. Did I just rant?

cyril kearney




msg:583620
 3:06 am on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

littleman,
It would take more time and effort to produce pages with browser customization. So that would mean more cost to my clients. I wouldn't be embarrassed to bill and collect for the additional work, but I sure wouldn't advocate a waste like that.

littleman




msg:583621
 4:42 am on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wow, are you for real? AOL users are very good converters, I would never throw them away.

DrOliver




msg:583622
 7:43 am on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)


The point is: Web Standards browsers will all read and interpret standards compliant code similarly. No one will need to code for a specific browser. CSS and XHTML will provide the tools to create compliant, cross-device code.

Competition among browser should be fought over interface, feature sets, functionality and security issues: not propriety coding. Thankfully, this IS the direction we are headed. From a feature set, useability and security viewpoint, MSIE has a long way to go to reach parity with Opera or Mozilla/NS7. I have no doubt that M$ is taking a cold, hard reality check and seeking ways to implement these features into MSIE 7. They have no choice....

Perfect statement, Papabaer! Nobody could've said it any better.

And as much as I don't like Microsoft, I still wish them luck in making their products safe.

scotty




msg:583623
 12:27 pm on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hey! All you Mozilla zealots, I'll show you something that your browser can't do, but only the Internet Explorer alone!

Can your browser let the friendly website out there in that big nice Internet take full control of your personal computer, by following on some crazy looking gopher hyperlinks? No! I bet that silly looking Mozilla can't handle that! Moreover, it is NOT a new feature which IE implemented last year or two, but this feature is built-in inside ALL versions of Internet Explorer! How thoughtful the programmers and architects in Microsoft were!!!

But somehow someone renamed my C:\WINDOWS to C:\joor_b0x_is_r00t3d today, so I have to use Mozilla to browse around and post this message here :)

pat_s




msg:583624
 8:25 pm on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

After using Mozilla from about .9.8 on, I couldn't go back to IE. I had some trouble with RC 1 and 2 and it took a little doing to get them truly and gone enough so that 1.0 could run right - probably because I keep Netscape 4.08 around to check sites in - but it was worth the trouble. If AOL users get a browser that functions as well is this one, with as many user-friendly features they'll be very happy, I'm sure.

prowsej




msg:583625
 8:47 pm on Jun 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's a myth to assume that 33 million users are suddenly going to start using a Mozilla-derived browser. Most AOL users that I know don't use AOL's browser. They use Internet Explorer.

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