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PositionTech Introduces Online Validator
Brett_Tabke




msg:611594
 10:53 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

PositionTech Adds Validator
By Brett Tabke

For several years, we have suggested to search engines and search engine service providers that they should consider HTML validation of pages that are submitted. One such service introduced today, takes on that challenge.

PositionTech [positiontech.com] (an Inktomi Submission Partner [positiontech.com]) has introduced a new utility to validate submitted pages. Jim Stob of Position Tech said that, "we won't require validation of course, but it is one thing users can check their submitted pages with". The validator is available to Positiontech customers.

This addresses one of the most common causes of search engine disasters - HTML errors. What we see in a browser is not necessarily what is seen by search engines when they index a page. How search engines adapt and handle common HTML errors that browsers can work around, is completely unknown.

The service introduced by PostionTech is an online beta version of the acclaimed CSE by HTMLValidator.com [htmlvalidator.com].

Validation has recently been brought to the forefront of development discussions due to the rumored switch of AOL from Internet Explorer to Netscape 6. By validating pages, developers can be assured that their pages are not only valid for search engine indexing, but also for various browsers too.

PositionTechs move is a step in the right direction for the entire internet. We certainly hope other search services or search engines themselves will follow PositionTechs lead.

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click watcher




msg:611595
 10:56 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

yes i noticed this this morning but when i tried it i got a "this server is not responding" message,

i guess a few teething troubles, a good idea though

well done PT

Tor




msg:611596
 11:10 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

I completely agree with you Brett that this is a very constructive step in the right direction. (The problem is though that the server is not responding when I try to access the validation tool) I suppose the bug will be fixed shortly.

Eric_Lander




msg:611597
 1:01 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

The only thing I've been happy about so far with this tool, is that I find that I'm not alone in having it not work for me! ;)

Regardless, it is, IMHO, a huge step in the right direction. I'm curious to see what it actually validates to though in terms of HTML version, document type, etc.

Should be fun to take a look around though, and find those many pages that *seemed* to be well constructed!

Cheers,
~ Eric

Brett_Tabke




msg:611598
 1:04 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jim said they just put it up yesterday. This is it's first debut. It's CSE - they'll get it right. For those that don't have a copy of CSE, it will be a really good experience. CSE is excellent stuff (I know, I know - it's pricey, but you know I don't go around recommending too much commercial software - ever. This and Opera are about it).

Eric_Lander




msg:611599
 1:14 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have enjoyed CSE, with very favorable results. There's something about a small HTML document, that is formatted properly for all browsers - that is simply tough to beat.

Knowing how the application works offline though, there are a number of options that I would like to see (if they make it) online as well through PositionTech. (Options that come to mind would include the new syntax features of v. 5.03, spell checking, and the ability to batch process a number of documents.)

Again, it is irregardless. This is a step in the right direction, and one that I love hearing more about.

dvb_99




msg:611600
 5:47 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

this is a great tool...it helps us see our errors...

but i am wondering if the spiders rank us accordingly (i mean depending on the errors)???

;)

andrey_sea




msg:611601
 5:49 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Brett,

The CSE desktop validator is amazing! Wow! Thanks for pointing this one out.

grnidone




msg:611602
 12:01 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Am I the only one who can't find the Positiontech validator?

jatar_k




msg:611603
 12:03 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

there is a bright yellow "H" beside pages when you log into your positiontech account. Just click on that and off it goes.

It took me awhile to find it.

tedster




msg:611604
 1:07 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you have Homesite, you can integrate the CSE validator and replace Homesite's native validator. That makes for very a nice workflow.

raveon




msg:611605
 2:23 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

It is using ColdFusion which seems to prevent it from working on any ColdFusion websites (all of mine). This is a pretty obvious and serious problem. hard to believe they went live with it with such a glaring bug!

Brett_Tabke




msg:611606
 3:49 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can't find the bugs unless you beta test it.

Mikkel Svendsen




msg:611607
 11:29 am on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

dvb_99, the question is not so much how the search engines will rank you but if they will be able to read your HTML-code at all. If you have syntax errors in your documents there is no way to know how any given spider will "understand" that - or if it will simple skip it.

legster




msg:611608
 1:14 pm on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well it worked for me on two documents, then it stopped working. It started giving me cold fusion errors, since all my stuff is on a cold fusion server. :(

bmcgee




msg:611609
 1:41 pm on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

It worked just fine on one of our client's cold fusion sites.

Why would it not work specifically on a CF site? The validator doesn't care about the server...it's simply parsing the end result HTML.

legster




msg:611610
 7:25 pm on Apr 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

I sent them a quick email, and here is what they wrote back:
The syntax checker will work for any URL that does not redirect or
require a cookie. Your CF pages should not be a problem. This
application is in beta, we are monitoring it and making modifications as
needed. We do expect it will be stabilized shortly.

My pages do not require a cookie or redirect. I still got the CF errors though. Hope they fix it soon, I like this new feature. :)

rjohara




msg:611611
 2:18 am on Apr 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

In this general context it may be worth noting that the small and fast iCab browser for Mac ( [icab.de...] ), still under development, has a smile/frown icon in the browser window that shows whether the page you are viewing uses valid HTML or not. If you click the icon it gives you an HTML error report on the page. It doesn't check XHTML yet, but does a good job with HTML4.

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