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Mozilla 0.9.7 just came out
littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 10:38 am on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

One of the things that grabbed my attention is that it is using considerably less memory than other versions at start up.
Mozilla 0.9.4 uses 14 megs
Mozilla 0.9.7's uses 9 megs

That was a surprise.

 

caine

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Msg#: 1368 posted 11:10 am on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

littleman,

where can i get the latter version of mozilla, and would you say it compete's with opera ?

heini

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Msg#: 1368 posted 12:47 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Saw the new version in action on a friends box - looked good. Fast loading, fast rendering.
Will try to install mandrake these days...good to know there's a good browser available.

click watcher



 
Msg#: 1368 posted 12:50 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

available here [mozilla.org]

caine

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Msg#: 1368 posted 1:26 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

cheers CW,

the question know is which o/s too download for linux / windows ? mmm

click watcher



 
Msg#: 1368 posted 2:01 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

hehe
decisions decisions

heini

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Msg#: 1368 posted 4:38 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Caine I found those threads helpful
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/61.htm [webmasterworld.com]
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/74.htm [webmasterworld.com]

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 5:40 pm on Dec 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Caine, sorry went to bed.
I use Linux, so I really can't compare the windows versions for you re Opera vs. Mozilla.

It is getting to be a fantastic browser. Dare I say it feels peppy? Launching is still behind Galeon by a few seconds, but the page rendering is very fast. I was trying to find some very large pages to do some speed testing. Going to the index page of wmw in either browser the loading was too close to tell,

In the Linux world I think it is really a contest between Mozilla and Galeon now. Galeon is still my top choice, but the gap is shrinking and Konqueror is in third position. They are all world class browsers at this point.

prowsej

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Msg#: 1368 posted 6:27 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

Mozilla is coming along nicely. It also helps that they have no serious competition, since Microsoft hasn't seriously upgraded their browser in years.

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Msg#: 1368 posted 6:36 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

Moz is making progress. Mostly importantly, the pace of that progress is picking up.

The new javascript preferences and dom monitor are excellent.

Sorry Little, under Windows, it feels as slow and bulky as it always has been. I know when you look at some of the stats on performance (ck the newsgroups), it shows marked improvement this year.

Also, check out the addon Mouse Gestures mod. Not there yet, but making progress.

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 8:30 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

>under Windows, it feels as slow and bulky
If I were using windows I'd use k-meleon [kmeleon.sourceforge.net], it's a fantastic browser which uses the gecko engine but is *very* light.

K-Meleon is a lite Web browser based on gecko (the mozilla rendering engine). It's fast, has a minimal interface, and it is fully standards-compliant. To make it simple, K-Meleon may be considered the unbloated Mozilla for Windows.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1368 posted 9:57 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

K-Meleon is much faster and I like the ease of button switching, customized agent string, and configuration. It's getting a bit dated at this point.

prowsej

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Msg#: 1368 posted 9:59 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

K-Meleon is a good browser. However, Mozilla is slowly but surely narrowing the speed gap. As of 0.9.7, there's rather little difference between the startup times of the two browsers.

The only way that 2002 could see the resurgence of Mozilla is if 1.0 is released by the summer and then AOL decides to switch from IE. Unless AOL stops using Internet Explorer, Mozilla will never have a relevant market share.

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 10:19 pm on Dec 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

>It's getting a bit dated at this point.
What do you mean, are you talking looks? It is being actively developed.

BTW, it is a good browser for seo types, because it has the ability to change user agents to what ever you want.

Oh, and it also has the ability to kill popups.

prowsej

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Msg#: 1368 posted 4:31 am on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

BTW, it is a good browser for seo types, because it has the ability to change user agents to what ever you want.

umm ... any browser can do this. Internet Explorer can through the registry, for instance.

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 5:54 am on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

Yeah it could be done with any browser, but in K-meleon it is three clicks away in your preferences.

If you want to mess with IE's UA it is a lot easier to just use a local proxy like Proximitron than to mess with the registry.

Key_Master

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Msg#: 1368 posted 6:33 am on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

Goodbye IE, Hello K-Meleon...:)

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1368 posted 2:09 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

>bit dated at this point.

Behind Moz. There are too many prefs settings that Moz has come out with that K-Meleon is missing. Most of those new options have been since .96 (which I believe is the gecko version K-Meleon is based on). Granted, there is no reason they should have to support those newer featurers, but it would be nice. It's a pretty big difference from Moz.

Key_Master

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Msg#: 1368 posted 2:32 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

I also found K-Meleon very webmaster friendly- I downloaded it for it's small size but now I can disable pop ups and have almost complete control over cookies and off site images. It has very good support for CSS and does seem to load html/text very quickly (although I think it's a little on the slow side with loading images). The only major gripe I have with it is I can't seem to make K-Meleon the default browser.

NFFC

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Msg#: 1368 posted 2:55 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

>the default browser

I used SetBrowser, freeware [pc-tools.net...]

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 6:57 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

The last build was in October and was based on Moz 0.9.5, it is forward compatible with 0.9.6 and I think it is also with 0.9.7.

One thing that K-meleon isn't getting in the near future is tabs. As of 11/01 it looks like they have no plans to write it into the code.

Son_House

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Msg#: 1368 posted 8:11 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

> The new javascript preferences and dom monitor are excellent.

I'm using Netscape 6.2.1 which is the latest as I write this and either I'm blind or 6.2.1 does not have this. Does Mozilla 0.9.7 have more goodies than the Netscape version?

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 8:33 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

The features will hit Mozilla first. because that is what is being actively developed. I think 6.2.1 was taken from Mozilla 0.9.4, right before a lot of the new goodies came in.

Son_House

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Msg#: 1368 posted 8:47 pm on Dec 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info littleman.

prowsej

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Msg#: 1368 posted 3:06 am on Dec 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

I used to frequent the K-Meleon fora and we've had the MDI/SDI issue has always been one of the biggest. I, along with the K-Meleon developers, believe that SDI is the better option for our purposes. However, there are a lot of people who seem to like tabs. K-Meleon's position, as I understand it, is that the developers don't want to implement tabs because that's not something they're ever going to use. However, if somebody else wanted to implement tabs as an option, they'd keep them in the program.

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 7:12 am on Dec 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Prowsej, just in case no one has said it yet welcome to wmw.

littleman

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Msg#: 1368 posted 11:07 am on Dec 29, 2001 (gmt 0)

One thing that impressed me about 0.9.7 is it's ability to manage more than one password for a given login page. That is very useful if you maintain multiple IDs for a given service.

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