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New: the real IE 7 beta 2
tedster

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Msg#: 12132 posted 5:37 am on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok, so Microsoft is having trouble naming things clearly. But as of this evening (April 24, 2006) we now have a new version of IE7, and it's available at:
[microsoft.com...]

From the IE Blog:

This release is not the preview or the update to the preview,
but the real Beta 2 of IE7 for Windows XP SP2, Windows
Server 2003 SP1, and Windows XP 64-bit Edition.

We acted on a lot of the feedback and bug reports...
around some CSS behaviors, application compatibility
feedback, reliability data (yes, we do analyze the
information that comes when you click 'Send Error
Report'), and user experience feedback.


 

shri

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Msg#: 12132 posted 6:32 am on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ack ... seeing a lot of broken CSS based menus.

Going to take some getting used to, but definately a better initial experience than Firefox from a user's perspective. (Took me a good two days to figure out how to setup multiple tabs for my "home page").

*LOVE* the quicktab thingy.

(Five minutes later .. the CSS thing is going to take some investigation. Definately renders some stuff differently from Firefox. Back to Firefox for me until I get the time to debug the CSS. Wish they had a firefox compatiblity module which switched rendering engines. ;)

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 12132 posted 11:32 am on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'd be interested in finding out if the stability and upgrade/downgrade issues have been resolved. I've been waiting to install the beta until I find out about those; the last thing I want is to have to reformat just to get back to IE6 if I need to.

Wish they had a firefox compatiblity module which switched rendering engines. ;)

Ha! Have you suggested that over on Channel 9? ;)

swizz

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Msg#: 12132 posted 11:49 am on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wish they had a firefox compatiblity module which switched rendering engines. ;)

.. Or you could use FireFox with IETab? That's what I do...

I've been using IE7 for a long time but just for testing. I love the rendering engine.

For me as a devloper IE lacks all of the nice extensions Firefox has and I already got used to, starting with the Web Developer extension... so for me as a WebDev there is no way back... I'll keep my FireFox.

Even if it hurts me, I know Firefox will loose some % in market share, because users will see they have Tabs ,RSS support, pages load faster, and they look nicer in IE7 (for my taste).

- Steven

sem4u

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Msg#: 12132 posted 12:25 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

They are offering free phone support to users in the US, Germany and Japan who test it.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

hakre

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Msg#: 12132 posted 12:32 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

free phone support sothat they tell me i need to switch over to SP2 just for installing that pre-release software? they don't state if you're even able to remove it afterwards and/or if you can user both your old and new ie version safely together.

Cakkie

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Msg#: 12132 posted 1:20 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone who installed beta 1 having difficulties installing beta 2? I keep getting this message that I already have IE7 installed, and that I need to uninstall it first. When I've done that, it keeps saying that IE7 is already installed. Appearantly it is indeed still installed (as I'm using it as we type), it didn't uninstall it, it mearly removed the icons...

Hubie

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Msg#: 12132 posted 1:21 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

this is my first install....keeps crashing after viewing only a few pages. love what i see though...

Hester

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Msg#: 12132 posted 2:05 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

For me as a devloper IE lacks all of the nice extensions Firefox has and I already got used to, starting with the Web Developer extension... so for me as a WebDev there is no way back... I'll keep my FireFox.

IE6 and IE7 have a similar tool you can download.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 12132 posted 2:30 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

It does look good (nice font smoothing), but quite a large number of CSS bugs - let's hope they don't end up as quirks requiring work-arounds.

They've reversed the way that the mouse wheel works to zoom in and out when you hold down CTRL - MS shouldn't be messing with usability elements like that. Very bad.

TJ

peschli

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Msg#: 12132 posted 7:45 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

DO NOT INSTALL IE7 Beta IF YOU HAVE DREAMWEAVER 8!

I did this and well Dreamweaver went all squirrely right after the install, I had javascript errors coming up, just from DW loading. I think I might wait till the full release before I try it again, but even then I think I will just stick to FF.

As for the font smoothing of IE7, it reminds me alot how Linux renders pages for its browsers.

Hubie

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Msg#: 12132 posted 9:29 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

what the hell is going on?

MY INTERNET CRASHES WITHIN 2 MINUTES WITH IE 7

is this normal?

creative craig

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Msg#: 12132 posted 8:32 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you uninstall, which I did after 10 minutes, IE6 pops back up. There is no way of using both at the same time though.

bill

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Msg#: 12132 posted 8:42 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you're concerned about the quality of a beta program then you could only benefit from having a virtual sandbox in which to experiment. All of my IE7 installs will be on Virtual PCs via VMware. This way you can run multiple versions of IE simultaneously. Also there's the added benefit of not worrying about messing up your production machine.

Hubie

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Msg#: 12132 posted 11:58 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bill, now they tell me!

I installed the IE beta 2 on my main machine. Internet crashed within a few seconds each time.

Uninstalled to get back to IE 6

BUT

why is IE beta 2 crashing? Is it me? Or everyone

I'd figure even MSFT would make sure their product works semi-smoothly before going beta, then ironing out the rest...

Hubes

hakre

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Msg#: 12132 posted 12:01 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

lets hope linux based desktops will flood the market sooner or later and this mess will have an end. i don't want to be rude, but what takes so long with IE7 after all? do they put an OS update into it?

mattur

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Msg#: 12132 posted 1:06 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

To second Bill's advice:

This is beta software (i.e unfinished, pre-release code) with a high degree of entanglement with the underlying OS.

Do not install this software on a production machine unless you are prepared to spend time and effort sorting out any resulting issues. Install it on a virtual PC or on a test PC.

You should expect problems with beta code - that's the whole point of releasing it early to testers. The problems could be with the way the code works, installs/uninstalls, interacts with other code etc.

I think MS should make this clear on their website, rather than saying "Check it out and download it today" a better phrase would be "Download it and let us know about all the problems you experience so we can fix some of them in the final version."

Even when IE7 is released as a final product, early adopters would be wise to wait until any significant issues have been identified before deploying on production machines.

Hubie

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Msg#: 12132 posted 1:17 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

any suggestions to cleaning up what I have now installed (and uninstalled)?

I'm getting a lot of "debugging" notices now

mattur

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Msg#: 12132 posted 2:24 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hubie: try the IE7 Support Page [microsoft.com] and the linked release notes. HTH

ByronM

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Msg#: 12132 posted 2:26 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

This update is rather nice. Speed is up there, rendering is fixed everywhere i go and performance is smooth.

looking good.. glad to see quick updates, too bad you can't just download the updates and reboot. having to uninstall, rebooot, upgrade, rebooot kinda BLOWS

GrendelKhan TSU

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Msg#: 12132 posted 3:44 am on Apr 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

why is IE beta 2 crashing? Is it me? Or everyone

crashing like crazy for me too. just normal surfing I get a crash about every 3 minutes. o_0;; Even one of my main sites makes it crash immediately.... which is obviously no good. :(

Even though its beta (2), I'm surprised it performs this poorly. a second betas should be further along then crash every few visited websites.

That said, In the limited amount of time it works though...
I did like what I saw a lot.(though they really need to add super Drag and Drop. and its REALLY annoying you CAN NOT move the top address bar and can't choose to get rid of the search bar...even as a customize toolbar option.)

I'm going back to maxthon for now.

shri

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Msg#: 12132 posted 5:39 am on Apr 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The beta test lasted for all of 20 minutes for me.

1) Loaded it, like all new MS things it looked gorgeous.

2) Looked at my site -- everything centered. Ok, might be a CSS bug.
2.5) I did not accept my site's RSS feed because it had a DTD in it.

3) Logged into HSBC's business banking -- everything centered
3.5) HSBC's system rejected my login because of an unsupported browser type and I could not figure out how to muck around with the UA.

4) Got annoyed as hell that it had the Cleartype setting enabled by default. Why should a browser mess with what is a system wide display setting?

Now trying to do a clean uninstall.

Pity. You'd have thought that Microsoft would have made a special effort to release a stellar product which atleast performed to the level of its previous product and at the very minimum on par with Firefox.

Will definately be a few more months and a few more betas before I even bother downloading and testing it again. Wonder what the firefox 2.0 schedule is...

Sort of similar to the george bush query that was demonstrated at pubcon. Looked gorgeous, but had dupe results... (fixed since then)

prieshach

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Msg#: 12132 posted 6:08 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks great and works great. Been using it for the last few days all day long and no problems with any site (even that bank).

shri

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Msg#: 12132 posted 9:22 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> no problems with any site (even that bank).

What? You were able to get through the business banking "IE Only" check on HSBC? And all the stuff was not centered?

Oh well, too late for me to give it a second shot. Perhaps with 7.1

prieshach

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Msg#: 12132 posted 9:48 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> You were able to get through the business banking "IE Only" check on HSBC? And all the stuff was not centered?

Personal banking, could also be a different country site as some of them are different.

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