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Opera 9 TP2 launched
...along with Opera Labs
mattglet




msg:598169
 2:22 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

The latest technology preview of Opera 9 is available today. We've added several big features – including BitTorrent support and Widgets. Give it a shot and let us know what you think.

We at Opera believe in an open Web for everyone. We try hard to use open standards in everything we do. We hope Opera Labs, by providing active encouragement for standards, will play a vital role in shaping an open and shared future for the Web.

Opera 9's Technical Preview 2 was unveiled today, along with Opera Labs which looks similar to the purpose of Google Labs.

[labs.opera.com...]
[labs.opera.com...]

[edited by: encyclo at 11:43 am (utc) on Feb. 8, 2006]
[edit reason] added links [/edit]

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:598170
 2:31 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

[snapshot.opera.com...]

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:40 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2006]

encyclo




msg:598171
 3:17 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

The "widgets" idea is interesting, but I don't know if they will have any more success than IEs Active Desktop (circa 1998) or other similar news tickers, etc. The rest looks like bug fixes and built-in support for downloading pirated movie AVIs.

What's the aim for Opera with the 9.x release?

[edited by: encyclo at 4:33 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2006]

incrediBILL




msg:598172
 4:14 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh goodie

Added content blocking feature. Right click on a page and select "Block content", then click on content that you want to block. Alternatively, use Tools > Advanced > Content blocked to manage blocked content.

Just what we need, another browser with improved and selective ad blocking.

If my ad income wasn't skyrocketing this week thanks to some SERP update I'd be upset and start a rampage, maybe later.

mattglet




msg:598173
 6:33 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you hover over a non-active tab, you get a thumbnail of the page, which is a pretty cool idea.

For this to be perfect, the image needs to generate faster, or the tip needs to show quicker. I don't want to have to hover it for 3 seconds, just to see the thumbnail. I could have clicked on the tab, then back to my first tab in that amount of time.

bill




msg:598174
 6:07 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been playing with this version for a few hours now and I'm impressed with the additional control they've given the user for site-by-site management. You can choose which sites you'll allow Flash, animated GIFs, cookies, etc. and turn that off completely for other sites.

They've still got a ways to go on the bookmark manager. I thought that was going to be worked on for this release.

I agree with encyclo's take on the Widgets. If this is what the final implementation is going to look like I'll pass. Reminds me of the old push applications that were popular in the late 1990s. I can't see using them in their current form.

Overall I like it though. It seems even faster than my 8.51 when rendering pages. I'm going to set this one as the default browser for a while and see what happens.

jweighell




msg:598175
 8:58 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is it only me that can't print emails? They just come out blank!

Other than that, I'm loving it :)

Hester




msg:598176
 9:39 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Widgets are just HTML pages. You can write your own.

encyclo




msg:598177
 2:28 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just what we need, another browser with improved and selective ad blocking.

It goes with the territory, and anyway what would you prefer? An Opera user who may (rarely) selectively block your ads, or an IE user ridden with spyware which is replacing your ads with another network? Those who actively choose to block ads aren't going to click anyway.

a thumbnail of the page

How powerful a machine do you have? This is a very cool idea, but is also a sign of bloat - too much fancy stuff which sounds good in theory but is far from essential.

Compared to Opera 8.51, is there really any major change or advance in Opera 9?

RammsteinNicCage




msg:598178
 5:23 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bill, what do you think needs to be done to the bookmark manager?

Jennifer

encyclo




msg:598179
 1:25 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm making a serious attempt to test Opera 9.0 (Linux version). I agree with bill's comment about the bookmark manager - I have imported by Firefox bookmarks but I am struggling to reorganize them on my personal toolbar to have them in a familiar order. I've tried drag and drop but it either moves the directory into another or it simply doesn't work at all.

The interface appears more or less unchanged from 8.51 (which I used only very infrequently). Actually whilst trying the widgets I have become a little less sceptical: I could see myself using them, but they remain very peripheral in terms of importance.

I'll see if I can use this thing for a while of if I'll go back to Firefox rapidly. :)

<added> There is a bug in my version with the menu at the top of this page: the mouseover yellow highlighting covers up the text on the line above. A line height issue perhaps? </added>

bill




msg:598180
 2:07 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

bookmark manager

I'm not sure if it's just me, but the bookmarks are completely screwy in this beta. I'm seeing quadruple copies in the drop-down and all sorts of beta-esque problems. The Opera bookmark manager has always been a weak point for them. Reorganizing your links and adding them to you personal toolbar shouldn't be as much of a hassle. For example I have a set of links I often visit set into the personal toolbar. If I drag all the links from the bookmark manager and it's sorted alphabetically then they will show up on the toolbar in reverse alphabetical order...things like that. It's been that way for years.

The only changes I'm not too thrilled with are whatever they did to the Gmail compatibility. Gmail works a lot better in 8.5x than this beta. I'm hoping they fix that in the final.

encyclo




msg:598181
 2:12 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is there actually any simple way of organizing my bookmarks and personal bar folders in an order of my choosing rather than alphabetically? I just can't see how to do it in the (few) options of the bookmarks manager.

And why is the browser ignoring the cache instructions for this page? I post and the page refreshes to a browser cache without my new post showing - it goes back to an earlier version even after a refresh when I edit. I have to F5 to see it, which is incredibly annoying!

bill




msg:598182
 4:38 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is there actually any simple way of organizing my bookmarks and personal bar folders in an order of my choosing rather than alphabetically?

You can just drag and drop items on the personal bar to sort things. The bookmark manager simply isn't working for me that way.

I've had this beta crash on me a few times today, so it's got a ways to go on the stability side. I may have to switch back to 8.51 if this keeps up.

Hester




msg:598183
 10:09 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Odd, I've never noticed any problems with the bookmarks. However, when I imported my Opera bookmarks into Firefox, it lists them all jumbled up. I can find no way to sort the menu alphabetically! Only in the Bookmark Manager can I do it.

Pages not refreshing is a serious bug, which came into play with Preview 1. What also happens is that pages refresh randomly, even when the content hasn't changed! Try going back and forward between a few pages and they'll start refreshing! Never happened with version 8.

caine




msg:598184
 10:25 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

after having a good play with IE7 and watching that bugger around - i ain't changing v8.51 until there is a bombproof release of v9.

encyclo




msg:598185
 11:19 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've had this beta crash on me a few times today

I think we've been a bit confused by the nomenclature used by the Opera team for their test releases: apparently a "preview" for them is pre-beta and is considered unstable. Beta follows after the TP versions. See:

[snapshot.opera.com...]

So the bugs we are seeing are more understandable, and Opera 9.x has still a way to go before release.

bill




msg:598186
 5:57 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good catch encyclo. That explains a lot. I thought this was a more stable release and that's why I bothered installing it.

The refresh bug is killing me...particularly on WebmasterWorld. I'm also not too fond of the way it handles forms. I'm seeing text wrapping in odd places on some sites and sometimes not wrapping at all (horizontal scroll bar).

This has been fun, but I think I'll wait for beta before I try any more testing of O9.

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