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IE7 beta due August 3
Along with Windows Vista beta
Hester

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Msg#: 10682 posted 1:08 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Windows Vista, Server and IE 7 Betas to Arrive in Synch [internetnews.com]

Here we go!

 

g1smd

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Msg#: 10682 posted 1:48 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)


Vista is already a TradeMark elsewhere. Lawsuits may start.

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 10682 posted 9:29 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let's see, "IE7 Beta" out on August 3rd, but only for XP. I'd say that means "IE7 Beta Hacked For W2K" will be available around August 5th! ;) I'm betting on that action taking place right here; after all, the method of installing multiple versions of IE on the same PC was first conceived here at WW!

cuce

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Msg#: 10682 posted 9:29 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've heard that IE is taking steps to become more standard friendly. Does anyone know if that is going to start before or after the release of IE7?

It would make life soooo much easier if IE7 worked like it should...

g1smd

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Msg#: 10682 posted 9:58 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Microsoft have been promising stuff for decades that they still haven't delivered on... don't hold your breath.

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 10682 posted 10:36 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

From what I've heard, they're working more on the UI than the rendering engine. Comments have been coming out of the Channel 9 wiki that certain standards "don't make sense" and similar remarks. Statements like these don't sound good for those of us who would just like IE to follow the standards whether they make sense or not. Overall, I'm sensing more arrogance than anything else, indicating to me that MS wants to continue trying to dictate web standards than fall in line with existing standards.

drhowarddrfine

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Msg#: 10682 posted 10:43 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Matthew is correct. IE7 has made a couple of minor improvements toward web standards but essentially ignores them while pretending to support them.

ricfink

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Msg#: 10682 posted 4:33 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm pondering this sentence from a previous post on this thread:

"Statements like these don't sound good for those of us who would just like IE to follow the standards whether they make sense or not."

So, in other words, MS is stupid for not being stupid.

Geez...

tedster

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Msg#: 10682 posted 5:06 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Given that Microsoft developed IE with all kinds of proprietary functions (many quite advanced) for companies to deploy in their Intranets, and for html to be a platform for sophisticated online or on CD applications, I can understand why there are now some standards that might not make sense for them.

Hopefully those areas do not include fixing the places where IE is just plain broken, or way out of date. IE 6 will still be with us for years and years, but it would be nice to see a light somewhere up ahead.

Robin_reala

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Msg#: 10682 posted 1:41 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, that's a nice bday pressie for me. Not very useful to me seeing as I'm on a Mac, but I'm interested in the upgrade. On my personal sites I only try to support the latest version of each browser.

dutch_dude

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Msg#: 10682 posted 8:12 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

IE7 beta (XP, not the Vista version) is now available for download for beta testers.

It ofcourse already found its way through "other channels" as well.

Hester

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Msg#: 10682 posted 8:43 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Where from?! It's not on their website.

dutch_dude

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Msg#: 10682 posted 8:51 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Where from?! It's not on their website.

No it's for beta testers only. You can only download it from the Microsoft site when you got a login.

drhowarddrfine

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Msg#: 10682 posted 11:45 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, here ya go. From MS docs [microsoft.com]:

"CSS improvements. CSS is a widely used standard for creating Web pages. Internet Explorer 7 is prioritizing compliance to CSS standards by first implementing the features that developers have said are most important to them. As a result, in Internet Explorer 7 beta 1 Microsoft has addressed some of the major inconsistencies that can cause Web developers problems producing rich, interactive Web pages. The work Microsoft has done includes fixing some positioning and layout issues related to the way Internet Explorer 6 handles <div> tags. (More information about these bugs can be found online at [positioniseverything.net...] and [positioniseverything.net...] The final release of Internet Explorer 7 will focus on improving the developer experience by reducing the time needed for developing and testing on different browsers.

Transparent PNG support. Web developers have been asking for support for alpha channel transparent PNGs. A PNG is a typographical file format that includes an indication of exactly how transparent a picture should be, through a measurement called the alpha channel. With an alpha channel, designers can use special effects that were not previously supported. For instance, they can create images on a Web page that have shadows but do not obscure the background image behind them. "

So they fixed TWO bugs. Count 'em. On one hand or two. TWO BUGS! No standards fixes or upgrades. TWO bugs over a five year period.

[edited by: encyclo at 6:15 pm (utc) on July 28, 2005]
[edit reason] Added link to source [/edit]

dutch_dude

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Msg#: 10682 posted 12:01 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I'm sure they worked overtime for that :)

Oh well transparent PNG support is nice and my main website will look slightly better now in IE. (it has some minor layout issues in IE6 and below)

But I will keep on using Firefox on Windows and Safari on my ibook for sure.

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 10682 posted 12:13 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Statements like these don't sound good for those of us who would just like IE to follow the standards whether they make sense or not."

So, in other words, MS is stupid for not being stupid.

Not quite. Microsoft is a member of the W3C, the organization who sets up the web standards I was speaking of. For MS to not support those standards because they "don't make sense" is simply irresponsible. Web developers need to be able to count on some consistency between browsers, but we won't be able to do that until IE gets up to par with Mozilla and Opera. As an example, the W3C box model is counter-intuitive, but at least it works once you understand it.

The work Microsoft has done includes fixing some positioning and layout issues related to the way Internet Explorer 6 handles <div> tags.

Does that sound to anyone else like MS just doesn't know what's going on here? IE handles <div> tags just fine; it's the CSS you apply to the <div> tags (and most other elements) that it gets wrong. I'm going to grab the new version as soon as I can, but that statement alone basically shatters whatever confidence I may have had that things would be significantly better. Hopefully I'm wrong, though.

Robin_reala

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Msg#: 10682 posted 1:01 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I noticed that '<div> tags' stuff as well. Idiots. You've really got to wonder, with all the cash that MS has...

Oh well, at least I can use alpha PNGs now without hacks.

g1smd

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Msg#: 10682 posted 1:13 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> CSS is a widely used standard for creating Web pages. <<

Hmmm, you don't create web pages with CSS, you add styling to the content of them.

Hester

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Msg#: 10682 posted 3:57 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

But CSS is a major part of creating a site. No-one works on the HTML only for months, then later adds the CSS, do they?

dutch_dude

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Msg#: 10682 posted 4:13 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

But CSS is a major part of creating a site. No-one works on the HTML only for months, then later adds the CSS, do they?

Sure I do. I first think what information I want to communicate and structure nice html documents. After that I think about how I want to present the documents.

Hester

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Msg#: 10682 posted 7:22 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, but CSS isn't just colours and fonts. It's also positioning. Hence I always work with HTML and CSS at the same time.

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