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Jenstar

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Msg#: 10360 posted 10:43 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

[toolbar.msn.com...]

Want to keep more than one website open at a time, but tired of managing multiple Internet Explorer windows? Tabbed browsing lets you have multiple pages open in a single Internet Explorer window. Let new pages load in the background while you continue reading your current page. Tabbed browsing will change the way you surf the Web. For more information, see Work with tabbed browsing [search.msn.com]

This has just been released, there should be more official press on it tomorrow. I was fortunate to beta the toolbar with tabbed browsing (being one of the MSN Search Champs) and it is a nice alternative for those who can't use anything but IE, like me. It is one of the Mozilla features I love, but I just could never completely switch from IE, being such a creature of habit ;)

It works fine with the Google and Yahoo toolbars as well, for those toolbar-holics out there.

 

christopher w

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Msg#: 10360 posted 10:48 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how many people (who know) would trust this:

Tired of typing address and credit card information over and over? With automatic form fill, simply enter your information once, and the Toolbar will fill out all those forms for you. It's easy, and it's safe.

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 10360 posted 2:58 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

This sounds interesting. There's no way I'm switching away from Firefox, but I'll give this toolbar thing a short trial anyway. It sounds interesting, a toolbar that provides tabbed browsing?

Now if they could only add mouse-gestures, an RSS reader, something equivalent to the Web Developer Extension, and basic security, MS might have a good browser! ;)

moltar

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Msg#: 10360 posted 3:50 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jenstar: if you like IE, try Avant Browser. It runs on IE engine and has all IE features + tabs + much more.

christopher w

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Msg#: 10360 posted 4:36 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jenstar: if you like IE, try Avant Browser. It runs on IE engine and has all IE features + tabs + much more.

SlimBrowser is another one that I used to use when I used IE and it was pretty good (tabbed browsing, etc).

ryan26

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Msg#: 10360 posted 4:47 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Switching tabs causes my screen to flicker weird for a few seconds. Anyone else seeing this glitch?

AbsintheSyringe

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Msg#: 10360 posted 4:49 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

It sounds interesting, a toolbar that provides tabbed browsing?

What is interesting is that, M$ is too lame to make a browser with such feature, so instead they make a toolbar.

hooloovoo22

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Msg#: 10360 posted 5:23 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

still can't open new window in tab ie ctrl-shift-click.

this is just a bandaid until they can finally catch up with the rest of the features of opera/firefox/etc

joe1182

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Msg#: 10360 posted 5:28 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

FireFox is way better than this. You can open in tabs but, it doesn't have the custom options like FireFox. What do you expect from a toolbar, right?

iamlost

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Msg#: 10360 posted 5:34 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see a couple of problems:

* One: From their promo about the auto form fill feature (bold highlights by me):
With automatic form fill, simply enter your information once, and the Toolbar will fill out all those forms for you. It's easy, and it's safe. Your personal information is stored on your PC rather than on the Web, and it's protected with a password.

MSFT is stating that it is safe because the info is on your Windows machine protected by a password. The casual user will be convinced - I mean MSFT said so right? I am not. Are you?

And MSFT is so convinced it is "safe" that following the tiny Legal link (and everyone will, right?) at the bottom of the page leads to the usual disclaimer:
7. MICROSOFT MAKES NO WARRANTY

Microsoft and any third party who makes its software available with the MSN Software disclaim any responsibility for any harm resulting from your use of the MSN Software and/or any third party software accessed with or through the MSN Software. ...

Trumpet its safety for credit card and personal details but then quietly deny all responsibility in the accompanying legal bumpf. Yah right. If it's safe you take responsibility. If you can't take responsibility do not say it's safe.

* Two: And who will tell the children that they are excluded?:
You represent that you are at least 18 years old and have reached the age of majority in the province, state or country in which you live.

This is fine "legally" but in practice who is likely to be loading up with cool toolbars? And how many children do you know that read anything before downloading, installing, and playing? Or adults for that matter.

This should be in bold print right before the download button, not just in the legal bumpf.

I expect that the toolbar will work as claimed, MSFT products generally do. I also expect to read of security problems and stolen personal data within the year. But it won't be the responsibility of the software creator or its PR department because they said so in the legal bumpf.

oilman

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Msg#: 10360 posted 6:33 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I love how these threads always become a list of alternatives to the product in question rather than a discussion of the actual product for the most part.

I'm an Opera user for the most part so I'm totally addicted to tabs and it's really nice to see MS step up and finally get on board. I agree it has all the earmarks of a temporary fix for now. And I'd sure love to see a hotkey setup for poppin windows in the background but it's a great step in the right direction either way.

I was lucky enough to beta this toolbar along with Jenstar and based on the evolution I've seen with this toolbar and the glimpse of the future they gave us I'm atually interested in tracking the next IE browser for the first time ever - hehe.

john_k

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Msg#: 10360 posted 6:53 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how many people (who know) would trust this:
Tired of typing address and credit card information over and over? With automatic form fill, simply enter your information once, and the Toolbar will fill out all those forms for you. It's easy, and it's safe.

Not only that, but it is still a step behind. I have been using a vitual number generator for the past several months and would be hard pressed to part with it. It also auto-fills card info on any checkout screen. I don't know that I've purchased from any sites that I would have avoided before, but I have certainly felt less stress over some of my purchases.

Huckleberry

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Msg#: 10360 posted 7:07 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

LOL, of course MS has mentioned that it will be in the next release of IE7... but they are realizing that the browser market for IE is losing ground to alternatives, so they are trying to integrate the features prior to a full release...

Haha...

SEOMike

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Msg#: 10360 posted 8:56 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm not that thrilled that the toolbar installed the MSN desktop search as a default. I only want one desktop search... Google.

So far the tabbed browsing is a nice feature for IE and it's about dang time. One thing that should be added is to have ctrl+n open a new tab, not a new browser. I'm so used to hitting ctrl+n from using Avant for years. I'm also used to clicking on my scroll wheel on my mouse to open a new tab. With the MSN toolbar I have to right click then select something from the middle of the menu. Not very convenient, and I think I'll go back to Avant.

I'm looking forward to the next version of IE but am little worried about how many more things they will implement to spy on me :)

webplacing

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Msg#: 10360 posted 10:48 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

i'm a mac user so i'm out of the running with this one, but I'm watching with interest in the lead up to the new M$ operating system launch.

So far we've seen; the new search engine, a big money advertising campaign, new PPC programme (beta), desktop search and now tabbed browsing with a MSN search box, when they integrate search into the new operating system it may signal the submit of a dramatic rise and the loosening of Google's grip on the lions share of the search marketplace.

blimey!

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Msg#: 10360 posted 1:31 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Guess I don't get the toolbar hysteria, Google, MSN or otherwise.

Who needs those little spy bars?

Also, if I've learned anything in 25 years of computing the more bandaids you pile on eventually something breaks and figuring out which bandaid broke the camels back and then successfully uninstalling it out of a chain of upgrades can make replacing the computer an easier solution.

Dc71



 
Msg#: 10360 posted 3:10 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Finally it looks like msn took a few tips from clusty.com on this one.

Things at MSN are looking up!

nomatter

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Msg#: 10360 posted 8:41 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)


Jenstar: if you like IE, try Avant Browser. It runs on IE engine and has all IE features + tabs + much more.

SlimBrowser is another one that I used to use when I used IE and it was pretty good (tabbed browsing, etc).

maxthon is also a choice.

max_mm

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Msg#: 10360 posted 6:59 am on Jun 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jenstar: if you like IE, try Avant Browser. It runs on IE engine and has all IE features + tabs + much more.

I'm using Avant too. Been using it for approx 4 months now. Can't imagine myself without it. A real great alternative to IE, while still using the IE engine.

ExpressBrowser is another good option BTW, I was using it before Avant took over on my system. Avant is now my default browser.

robsynnott

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Msg#: 10360 posted 3:16 am on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Goodness, that didn't take long. The competition have only had it for 5 years or so...

mincklerstraat

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Msg#: 10360 posted 6:04 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

This'll make the chore of debugging for ie that tiny bit easier.

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Msg#: 10360 posted 7:01 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Come to think of it, I wonder if this won't be the stepping stone for some users to go try firefox or opera. The die-hard ie users have been saying for a long time, "tabs, who needs them?" which is pretty much a normal reaction when you haven't used them yet - it takes a small bit of getting used to tabs before you begin to use them efficiently and they become the remarkable time-and-space saver that they are. (BTW, for tab lovers, check out the pekwm and fluxbox window managers for *nix systems - you can use tabs on pretty much anything - handy when you have lots of stuff that needs to be open simultaneously - and for users like this, you'll like the easily-switchable workspaces (desktops) as well).

Some who are wary of downloading and installing a whole browser "just for tabs" may well come to like tabs with the msn toolbar, and come to think, "these tabs are actually pretty useful - maybe we'll check out that browser anyways."

tac1

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Msg#: 10360 posted 10:24 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Having tried a number of browsers I always return to Avant, it has everything offered by others, is stable & is easy to use.

JamieBrown

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Msg#: 10360 posted 12:49 pm on Jun 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I've tried it out - I also experienced the "flickers" problem, but I guess that's just because it kind of closes the existing window and then almost opens a new one to simulate the tab browsing. I also agree it could do with much more functionality, but I guess that's limitted by the fact that it is just a toolbar.

Not a bad attempt for a botch! Looking forward to seeing the new IE7, but I'm definitely in the Avant / Firefox camp still! :-D

Cheers,

Jamie.

bhonda

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Msg#: 10360 posted 2:38 pm on Jul 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey all,

Stumbled across this discussion just because I was intrigued about the whole idea of tabs in IE, but I'm scrapping that idea now - as soon as I get home I'm getting some of that Avant magic for myself!
Thanks guys!

J

j4mes

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Msg#: 10360 posted 3:18 pm on Jul 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Want to keep more than one website open at a time, but tired of managing multiple Internet Explorer windows?

I know I'm not the only person who quietly raised his eyebrow and mentally finished that line with "then download Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape/Opera".

Wow Microsoft, just five years and you've got what every other browser had in 2000. Maybe now you can try and work out what this new-fangled CSS thing is? ;-)

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Msg#: 10360 posted 4:39 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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