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Chitika eMinimalls as AS Alternative Ads?
Is it possible? Anyone using yet? How's the CTR / CPC?
zjacob



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 9:34 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just came across Chitika eMinimalls, which has an ad program that looks visually and conceptually wonderful.

However, is the eMinimalls code viable as an Adsense alternative ad code? Putting eMinimalls as alternative ads would be a great way to test out the program.

If the code is viable, has anyone within the Adsense publisher community experiences with this program in terms of CPC and CTR (ballpark)?

 

allthewhile

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 9:39 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

My understanding is, that of course, you can't have other "contextual" ads along with your adsense ads. But you can have specific ads for specific products.

<snip>

Also,

here's a cool plugin for wordpress

[x74.org...]

I haven't tried it out yet.

-atw

[edited by: Jenstar at 12:30 am (utc) on Oct. 6, 2005]
[edit reason] Sorry, no links to non-authority sites [/edit]

foxtunes

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 9:40 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe you have to insert this line into the chikita code, to make the eminimall ads non contextual:

ch_non_contextual = 1;

I also like the look of these ads, with the cute little product images. I hear the ctr is much less than adsense, but the epc is a lot higher.

I'd like the option to change the default background color of eminimall ads from white, to make the ads blend more seamlessly with the color scheme of my sites.

allthewhile

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 9:46 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think these might be the perfect solution to parts of my sites that require a specific "review" of a product or when I discuss specific products. That way they're not contextual as well as the content lends the reader towards wanting the product.

zjacob



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 10:09 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

ATW, Foxtunes, thank for the replies, great info.

What I found really interesting from the ProBlogger site was Darren's estimations on CPC with eMinimalls, at even 5 to 6 times that of Adsense (based on 5 weeks of usage).

The CTR for him was much lower (based on a number of factors, one of them being the lack of ad inventory, the program's a new one), resulting in total earnings of about 1.5/4 of his AS earnings.

Also, leaving out the contextual matching, these ads should be able to be used on the same page with Adsense. That's great news.

But, how about using them as alternative ads within Adsense system (to replace PSA's with them)? Is there a way to get the eMinimall ads to be shown at that slot?

dazzlindonna

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 10:10 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm pretty happy with eminimalls. EPC is better on my site than adsense is. And since you can specify exactly what you want it to show (as opposed to being contextual), you can get the CTR up there by trying different products and seeing what works best.

ebuilder

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 10:11 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jensense.com has an interesting article on these. I can't see them though. Could it be Java is required. I even went to their website and still cannot see the ads. Curious....

allthewhile

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Msg#: 5362 posted 11:08 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm guessing there has to be some sort of script or script that someone could write that could sense the "collapsed" javascript of adsense and put this in its place. It may be against the TOS and would need to look into that before even pursuing it. But that is a good idea, nonetheless.

Jenstar

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Msg#: 5362 posted 12:33 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you are running it as the AdSense alternative ad, no need to turn off the contextual component. If you are wanting to run it at the same time as AdSense, you will need to turn off their contextual targeting and use their keyword targeting instead.

I am currently using it, but their terms also prohibit CTR and CPC specifics ;)

webpublisher

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 12:29 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it me or are the Chitika reports delayed today?

JuniorOptimizer

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Msg#: 5362 posted 12:54 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Chitika has some promise, but the program is not there yet.

They appear to have a very small inventory of advertisers, which is not suprising. However, as part of a well-balanced advertising program, they could be good. I've take to rotating YPN, AdSense, and Chitika on pages on my forums to see if I can defeat banner blindness a bit. The Chitika clicks (although there haven't been many), are paying a 1/2 buck each.

NoLimits

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Msg#: 5362 posted 2:09 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am anxious to see how the ads are doing.... waiting for tonights stat update to see if they are getting clicks.

I'm testing them in place of AS on a forum page.

foxtunes

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 3:02 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Stats delayed this end as well. - Yep that's a thing I hear Chitika are working on, more detailed and reliable stats for publishers.

turbo996

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 4:50 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

chitika stats are down. no data at all for yesterday.

i've got the ads running on 3 sites, that also have either adsense or ypn. i have very targeted sites that chitika has ample inventory for. i'll report on the results after a week.

Heartlander

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 7:41 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yep, I think I've seen all 5 advertisers for my niche over the last 4 days.
Still messing around with it, playing with different keywords.

Speaking of YPN, I applied some time ago and never heard from them.
Should I re-submit?

NoLimits

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 10:17 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yet another day of statistical malfunctions at chitika. I won't be experimenting for long if I can't get any damn stats, that's for sure.

AlexMiles

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 11:58 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I saw Chitika for the first time today and I think I'm in love :)

Rolozo

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 1:08 am on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

what is eligibility criteria for Chitika?

NoLimits

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 1:39 am on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems the elegibility guidelines... and program setup is similar to adsense.

Heartlander

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 1:09 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

NoLimits- you got that right.
Just when they were poised to grab a bushel basket full of disgruntled current/former AS publishers, their system goes haywire.
Bad timing on their part, to say the least.
Been there and done that, but I don't have software engineers helping me run MY site...LOL

Alex- don't rush out to buy an engagement ring just yet.
Those ads sure are pretty and all that, but it's still very early in the game, and the advertisers just aren't there yet.

Any chance we'll get to see a "ChitikaAdvisor" here anytime soon? ; )

NoLimits

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 2:31 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wanted to report back on my feelings about Chitika after "1 day" of unaudited weekend day statistics (Saturday)

CTR of Chitika VS AdSense = AdSense wins hands down.
EPC of Chitika VS AdSense = For my niche - Chitika wins.

Based on a whopping ONE DAYs stats from Chitika compared to my last 30 day average with AdSense:

AdSense ads are 5x more likely to be clicked on.
Chitika ads pay 20x more per click.

The only ads I'm seeing are high dollar items - the cheapest of them being "apple i-pod"

Obviously, one days worth of stats is useless for making decisions - but I like what I see thus far. Gives me hope for forum monitization yet...

Heartlander

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 5:50 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

After more playing around, I find the possibilities endless in setting keywords.
Found MANY more ads this way!

I wonder if G plans to introduce a "keyword choice" option?

Helllooo AdsenseAdvisor? ; )

Now that would really enable publishers to get their ads targeted to their niche.

perfectlover

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 6:21 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

From Chitika FAQ:
What is Audited Revenue versus Un-audited Revenue?
Every month Chitika audits the clicks that we receive from all of our publishers sites. In the audit process we remove any invalid clicks such as: repeated clicks from the same ip, clicks from countries such as China and India, etc. This is done to protect our advertisers from fraudulent clicks.

Does that means its only for US publishers? I don't see that on their site.
OR
Does that means all clicks from these countries are FRAUDLENT? If second is true then it means 1/3 population of the world are cheaters :).

MetalType

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 6:23 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone had any luck putting multiple keywords in the Minimalls code - doesn't seem to work for me - no mention of how to do it in the FAQs

Buzliteyear

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 6:33 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

After more playing around, I find the possibilities endless in setting keywords.
Found MANY more ads this way!

This is the really beauty of Chit that everyone needs to be aware of.

You can choose specific ads from their inventory (which is very large guys) from Shopping.com and some other sites. If you put in the name of a product you saw on one of those sites, you will get ads for that product.

This allows you to pick and choose your PPC advertisers, and I believe they are the first to accomplish this.

As far as stats being delayed, they are not. Their stats are only updated once per day. Regarding the past two days, yes, there was a glitch in the system which dumped the stats, but Chit says they should be able to get them back.

While the jury is still out on them, I'm a bit excited about the potential.

We are finally able to have alternatives to AdSense so are income sources can be diversified.

jomaxx

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Msg#: 5362 posted 6:34 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it could be highly significant that the adjustment for "invalid clicks" and "repeated clicks" seems to occur at the end of the month. Depending on how Chitika interpret various things and what countries they decide to pay for traffic from, publishers could see huge deductions from their earnings after the month is over.

AlexMiles

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 7:43 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jonmaxx that worries me too as I have a lot of customers in the Far East and Asia.

We need clarification.

Heartlander,

>Alex- don't rush out to buy an engagement ring just yet. Those ads sure are pretty and all that, but it's still very early in the game, and the advertisers just aren't there yet.

Well I did notice it was all products and no services. A lot of my users are looking for advice on professional services. Chitika isn't much use there.

When it comes to products though - and there are a lot of potential very pretty and very expensive products in my niche - I'm like a kid in a sweet shop on Chitika!

What it reminds me of, more than anything, is those first heady days of the affiliate industry where you would hand choose products and make code and stuff. When the networks still tracked, cookies weren't stuffed and parasites were a dark and sinister twinkle in an evil scammer's eye!

In other words, I feel right at home.

I've been browsing their suppliers and their suppliers suppliers and finding the *exact right products* for the recommendations I've been making all along (and hoping to get Adsense ads for).

I regrouped after the disaster that was the free serps, the parasites and the networks with their hands in the cookie jar. I found new ways to get traffic and monetise it, and Chitika is going to benefit from that - plus from my enormous and highly specific mailing list (my customers have told me exactly what they are looking for).

I think Adsense will still be fine for selling services, but for actual products? Real stuff that arrives through the post after you hand over the magic numbers?

My old affiliate instincts say Chitika is going to beat Adsense hands down if you have the patience and a hand crafted site. Which I have. Plus its PPC.

Any affiliates remember The Professor - the old time direct mail marketer? I never ended up worse off following his advice, and he was quite right when he said anyone unwilling to pay upfront for an eyeball / wasn't serious. If you put that together with 100% targeting (I know its 100% when I do it myself!) and those cute little pictures - plus data on which products are the most popular right there at the suppliers (sometimes) I think the combination is unbeatable.

Adsense sure chose the wrong week to screw up their targeting..!

<evil cackle>

krod

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 8:10 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

does google consider eMiniMalls text ads?

foxtunes

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 8:25 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

AlexMiles you make some good points, I'm also loving the bullseye targeting, and aesthetic quality of these eminimall ads :)

Krod, if you want to run eminimalls alongside adsense, you have to disable contextual targeting in Chitika's code:

ch_non_contextual = 1;

dazzlindonna

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 5362 posted 8:41 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone had any luck putting multiple keywords in the Minimalls code - doesn't seem to work for me - no mention of how to do it in the FAQs

Metaltype, use the following code for this (using as many keywords as you want, this example is for 4):

var ch_queries = new Array('keyword phrase 1', 'keyword phrase 2', 'keyword phrase 3', 'keyword phrase 4');
var ch_selected=Math.floor((Math.random()*ch_queries.length));
ch_query = ch_queries[ch_selected];

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