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Have I created a 6 month plan for success/failure?
I have the ingredients, now I just need to cook & simmer
freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 5:58 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello guys,
I have been lurking for a while posting every now and again. Although I know a lot of the experienced cats hate the “what does it take” type posts, as a newbie, they are very informative. Recently I came across a couple such threads and started thinking. I have loads of knowledge (far greater than my noob classification suggests) but have done nothing with it. My problem was that I could not delay gratification…i.e. build a site, build another site while waiting and another until results start showing. I mean I started dabbling with sites back in 1996-1997…I should have cleaned up by now, living on my own island :o))) Ohhh the curse of the will power.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I have decided to create a 6 month plan to build sites and wait and hopefully see results in 6 months to start trickling in. I’m just looking to get my knowledge from theoretical to practical. I would like to run my plan by you all to see how the gurus feel about it:

•I will be creating mini-sites and will create 2/week targeting a variety of niches.
•I will use my personal domain to host the sites, each in their own directory or sub domain…not sure which is better ((Should I have a domain for each mini site I create?))
•I will select a niche, do keyword research and select a list of 7-10 keywords
•The keywords should have ppc bids from $0.25 and up (I wont be targeting the $10-25 keywords since there will be a heck of a lot of competition there).
•I will create a simple straight forward looking site with 7-10 pages each based on the keywords. I will find an affiliate prog and add a banner or two and try to apply for adsense. After the first week, I would submit the 2 sites to google, msn, DMOZ, etc.
•Content pages will be 300-600 words long
•I will interlink the pages with one another and will have ~2 outgoing links to authority sites from each mini-site.
•I’ll keep building these mini-sites each week so that by the end of the 6 months I should have ~48 sites.

Here are my problems
>> I have no ‘authority’ sites of my own so I will not have back links
>> I only have one domain to use (the actual domain name is in google already but no pr)

Is this a recipe for success (however minimal) or is it a recipe for a waste of time? Any suggestions?

Thank you

 

wnshops

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 6:29 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just do it! Good luck.
high risk will get high returns. Take a chance.

abarrett

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 6:36 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

As the freshest noob here:

I would suggest using seperate domains.
I have seen problems with using a ton of sub-domains as far as search engines are concerned.

Other than that, you are maybe out 6 months. That is worth it.

I say try it, hell I might try it, with a few tweaks to the plan.

freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 7:56 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yup...I'm planning on just doing it...but I would like to get some advice to see if there is anything one should consider when setting off on a plan like this.

So far the one thing I really will need to look into is the domain issue. I.e. is it worth it to get a domain for every mini-site you create given that many of them may not make any money? hmmm

qwer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 8:23 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't limit your time, because to succeed in affiliate marketing takes TIME (maybe even several years!) Just don't desperate!

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 9:10 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

I agree with the don't be desperate statement. The amount of effort you put in and the amount of time you put in will be proportional to how well you succeed. Work hard and learn at the same time, and in 6 months you will be fine.

To your Success,

C.K.

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 10:37 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

all i can say is that you have to work to get your authority site - i.e. get a site up, then work on getting some backlinks/exchange links. It will be a chore, but it needs to be done, because after you have your pr5+ site, you can hook it up to all your other sites to get them quickly indexed.

do not use subdomains or subfolders. Invest $10/month on a cheap hosting solution and they will give you domain pointers (and then if you know some scripting, you can redirect them to a subfolder in your hosting account).

Your 6 months to success/failure is a bit melodramatic :) what will happen is that in 6 months (if you do your homework) you'll be making from $1/day to $#*$!.xx/day. Once you get into the groove of things you will start seeing new nuances on what needs to be added/changed/removed and you'll start tweaking like crazy. From then, it's up to you if it's worth your time (and the very nice future rewards) to keep doing it, or be discouraged because the numbers aren't to your liking yet.

If you've got the skills, that's 30% of the battle won. The other 80% is how committed you are to the 'cause' :)

beer234

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 10:44 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I found that when createing new sites I was always better off using a subfolder (not domain) off my main site even though it wasn't related to my content. When I do that I get my pages in Google in 2 -3 days or maybe a couple weeks vs 3-6 months when I start with a new domain. Maybe i'm avoiding the Google sandbox? I should mention I don't do much with AM mostly adsense and am just starting to try AM using CJ, but the topic of getting pages in quickly should apply to your question. The only disclaimer i'd add is that this domain that I put subpages under has been up for 4+ years, if I was starting fresh then i'd probably go the multiple domain route.

Zygoot

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 11:03 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm wondering too which one would be better:
- a new domain
- a subdomain of a well indexed site
- or a folder of a well indexed site

I'm busy on a project (before I launch it I will create about 50 content pages), and I think I'm going to try the subdomain way. I hope that by doing this my site will get ranked in Google after a few days.

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 11:31 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

The only advantage I can see with using a subdomain or subfolder is because of what Beer234 said.

Let's face it, domains are cheap. What happens if 1 of your domains get's banned? I am not 100% positive, but I could see all your earnings go crashing down as the whole thing is banned.

Be safe and get a domain name for each site. Go for a .com unless you are targeting a specific country. If you plan on building a bunch of sites/domains, get a reseller account for your hosting.

Thoughts?

All the Best,

C.K.

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 12:12 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not only all of the above, but there are less visible advantages to separating your content. You don't want your content about refrigerators be on the same site as your mechanical hobby robots. Eventually as you grow you end up with a mismash of information that will drive you nuts because there's no sense or organization. And then what will you do? split it into several domains.

Do it right the first time.

teenwolf

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 12:47 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm wondering too which one would be better:
- a new domain
- a subdomain of a well indexed site
- or a folder of a well indexed site

Go for a combination of domains and folders. That is, go the domains route, but if you can "team up" any somewhat related topics, then I would do so (i.e. electronic widget 1 with electronic widget 2 on the same domain).

I would definitely go with folders over subdomains. Subdomains can be confusing and seem spammy to the user.

freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 4:40 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow…I come back and find a ton of responses. Thanks for all the info.
I didn’t mean to sound melodramatic with the success/failure statement. It was just an exaggeration to drive the point across. I know there are varying degrees. To me, success would be having had many of the sites indexed and receiving even a trickle of traffic. I’m in it for the long haul and am committed to it.

As for the domain issue, well, I am still torn. My generic domain which is not niche specific has been around for 5 years or so. So maybe using folders on that start would be a good idea. Ultimately I can run my own server with multiple IPs and multiple domains per IP (I have experience running a server so that shouldn’t be an issue)

Now since I do admit I have somewhat of a short attention span, mini-sites are the way for me. Multiple smaller sites with 5-10 pages each. Maybe 20 on the high side. I want to focus on acquiring traffic and learning the SEO side of things before delving into the bigger sites.

So here is another question for Beer234 and those of you who stated that they got their mini-sites in their folders get indexed quickly….is it realistic to think that a site like that could get indexed from a 5 year old domain (with no PR) within a month?

And how many people here run multiple mini-sites as opposed to single megasites?

Thanks

disgust

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 9:46 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

from your position, here's my take on it:

your primary domain probably is not sandboxed. this could be a huge, huge advantage to you. putting up new sites under subdomains will allow you to see immediate, decent results- no sandbox. however there's going to be a bigger risk.

how attached are you to your person site? here's what I might do: move your personal site somewhere else (ie, another domain). establish an comprehensive authority site on this old domain, if it's possible (might depend on the domain itself). use this to get a flow of cash coming in. from there you could get yourself in a position to be able to buy non-sandboxed sites.

it's possible to be successful while sandboxed... it's just a whole lot harder :)

freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 7:13 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok...although my personal domain is already indexed but has no real content on it....the problem is it does not have any niche terms. Its quite generic which is good if its going to serve as my "portal" to the mini-sites.

Are you guys thinking I should add some content to the generic domain and try to create an 'authority site'? What exactly detrmines a site being authority (backlinks or outbound links)?

SignMeUp

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 5:35 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sites, domains, subdomains, directories are little things only.

The most important thing is: Topics of your sites. What are you going to sell? Lamp or cell phone?

freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 6:06 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

SignMeUp...I'll be focussing on a different subject for each mini-site. For example lets say that Project 1 will be a 5 page site on the new Camera Cell Phone...then Project 2 will be a 10 page site on Web Design...Project 3 will be a site on SEO, etc (these are of course hypothetical topics).

I dont think the domain issue is the biggest thing here. I just wonder if there some success to be found in building these mini-sites.

disgust

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 7:42 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sites, domains, subdomains, directories are little things only.
The most important thing is: Topics of your sites. What are you going to sell? Lamp or cell phone?

if you're going for organic traffic, the domain is a huge factor.

the bulk of organic traffic comes from google. it's near impossible to do well in google with new domains.

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 7:51 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just went back to the first message on the thread:

I only have one domain to use (the actual domain name is in google already but no pr)

I doubt sticking to this one domain would be of any major benefit.

SignMeUp

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 8:33 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you choose a HOT title then lots of competitors out there. If you choose a COLD title,then only few people will reach your site and few sponsors. That's the most important thing you should think about. Ok, just do it. If you haven't chosen a RIGHT topic then you will be failure.

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 4:47 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

They are both important. You start picking all these hot topics and put all the content up on the same domain...

It will be a confusing mess. I really think you should go the separate domain route.

C.K.

conroy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 4:57 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

SignMeUp makes a great point. The topic you choose is extremely critical. Most new people make the mistake of either choosing a hyper competitive niche, or one that has no traffic/money in it at all.

freshfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 5:48 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, so I am probably going to go with sepereate domains and will use my indexed site to link to them just for quicker spidering.

As for kewyords/niches, thats not a problem as I feel I know how to pick niches that are less glamorous but may have more potential than others may think. Right now I'm not really focussed on the money making aspect...I'm more interested in being succesful in getting indexed within a month or two and getting in the top 25-50 at least for each main keyword I chose. I'm targetting "used toliet seats" .... any money in that :o))) Just kidding

Two points that I have concluded:
* Probably use seperate domains
* Use my old domain to point to the new sites/domains
* pick moderate keywords that have value but are not on either extreme

Well...I've got 6 months of work ahead of me...thats guys :o))

fidibidabah

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 6:37 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

extremes are fun :D

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4041 posted 8:11 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Conroy makes a good point about hyper competitive niches. If you want to do something in a competitive market, look for a niche within the bigger niche. Make sure it gets traffic (keyword research) and build.

C.K.

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