|The quest to $300/day |
from $20/day to $100/day - the story continues
| 8:21 am on Feb 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Every time I tell friends and aquaintances what I do - I get glazed eyes and the conversation quickly changes topics - I guess I'm really not that good of a storyteller:) so I turn to you folks here on WebmasterWorld - I know you and I talk the same language, and we understand each other :)
Disclaimer: I am not a expert affiliate marketer - some folks here can earn what took me months to learn in a few days only. But I found out what works for me and until my knowledge increases and develops, I'll stick to it - it just takes a bit longer, and the money's still good ;)
A quick recap of my background so far just to reintroduce the thread:
Recently off school, and working full time as a web designer for a year - when an early mid life crisis struck me - is this what life is about? a 9-7 job, go home, go work, repeat ad nauseum? I've found out that most people coming out from school faces those questions about life - I was no different than them.
Except - I had an idea for a website - a textbook swap and price comparison - this was an idea from way back while I was in school - but one that I didn't have the time or the full technical knowhow to implement. Now that I was done with school and facing the prospect of running in the rat race for eternity, it became more of a drive to get something going - I started building it and that's when I ran into Amazon affiliate program and datafeeds.
Within weeks I had a semi functional site running - and started doing some link exchanging. While searching for some help on the topic, I ran into webmasterworld! At first I was interested only in the link development forum, then somehow I migrated here to affiliate sales - while here, I started realizing that there were many people making money selling all sorts of things. I was only interested in how I could do Amazon better, primarily because I knew how to do their datafeeds, but also because textbooks was all I knew about. Mortgage? Credit cards? Hotel reservations? Gambling? I knew nothing about those industries!
Anyway to keep this (relatively) short - a year ago I discovered this forum. 6 months later I had a decent textbook site which was making me about $20/day. At that point I was already up to my ears from the corporate drone lifestyle and just about ready to quit my job - it was a gamble, but one would only need to look at the potential of affiliate marketing to know that if you play your cards right and you have some sort of idea what to do, the skies were the limit. It fit perfectly with the feelings I was going through, avoiding the rat race, doing something for myself, where I wasn't trading time for money, but instead building a sort of 'equity'. I pondered - if I am doing this part time and I can earn $20/day - then what happens if I go all out and do it full time? A fairly easy decision - I quit my job at the end of September.
Should I fail in affiliate marketing - I only have the next 45 years to work for someone else. Heh! In the meantime, the two problems I face is that I'm really bored with staying in the house for so long :) and to save money I moved in the the parents - to change a bit from this routine, I've decided to move out to europe and live somewhere over there while still doing more sites.
This new thread now will try to convey my ongoing quest to move from the $100/day I reached last month (6 months after I went full time) to $300/day - which is just short of $10k/month, a VERY nice round sum to reach, in my opinion :)... The $100/day pretty much lets me live anywhere in the world fairly comfortably (if it's not the french riviera, or beverly hills - you get my drift), but $300/day would let me actually start saving and possibly investing in real estate, and thus diversify one's revenue streams. That's the plan anyway.
...so after this extensive (re) introduction:
Last month my revenue was about $100+/day. Most of it was adsense - and so this month I was hit bad when adsense decided to go wacko and lost 40% of the revenue stream. Luckily, a site redesign increased the click throughs to make up for the shortfall, with the net effect that I'm a little bit over $100/day with adsense and affiliate sales combined. The current revenue for February has been around $135/day. Should it keep steady till the end of the month, that'll be $3750 in my pockets.
One site I put up last month - consumer products for women - I linked it to my PR5/Pr4 sites and got immediately indexed, and a few days later it was being found by surfers. This month adsense has started showing and paying(some pages still show public service ads) - from a paltry 50 cents at the beginning of this month, to $11 bucks today :) not a lot by any stretch of the imagination, but this is how all sites start anyway!... it has also generated some affiliate sales, so all together the new site has pulled in about $100 bucks.... We'll see how it grows(or not) in the following months.
I also have one site redesign to go through - this site is based on an amazon feed and has about 50,000 pages indexed - it gets some traffic, but due to the bad design it doesn't convert nearly as well as I'd like. Another site I have lined up was going to sell products from HSN.com - again, still in the works. I'm sure once I get those two sites up I can boost my daily revenue to closer to mid $100's...
Anyway - let's see how long it take me to get to $300/day. Place your bets, gentlemen! :)
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| 12:17 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hey Nisha, welcome to WebmasterWorld!
I hope rfung doesn't mind if I try to answer part of your question, obviously I can not answer about his dad's site.
As far as revenue from Adsense goes, you will need to have a large amount of traffic before you will really see a big income from Adsense.
One of my sites, the one that I am really focusing on right now, is getting about 100 page views a day. This is not a new site, but I killed the old version and started again from scratch which hurt my traffic. However, it actually has a decent CTR, so when traffic picks up again it should do very well.
If you are running adsense or any ads for that matter, you really need to work on traffic. The numbers I am seeing for a fairly good return are around 1000-2000 visitors per day.
Keep working on traffic and stick around, this is by far the most useful forum online. IMO
| 6:45 am on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
it's official - my bigger performer is starting to slowly disappear from the google index into oblivion. From 14,000 indexed paged now I only have less than 1,000. Just @#&%&% great. Oddly enough I´'m still averaging $150/day or so, so at least the money hasnt dropped...yet. Maybe yahoo and msn are being more generous now? I havent been able to do any work or look at my logs yet.
From what I've read about this kind of situation, there isnt very much I can do nor accurate information for me to do anything about, so as I've said before, gotta roll with the punches. I'm down (a bit) but I'm not out, and it still doesn't change any of my beliefs that I can go still very high - just build more/other sites, and take those up.
Of course, I can¡t do narly a thing here in Barcelona, except eat a tapas or a paella and drown my sorrows in sangria ;)
| 10:12 am on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|From 14,000 indexed paged now I only have less than 1,000 |
Same happened to me beginning of this month with around 4.000 pages listed in Y! Probably big cleanup. The action to take now: diversification!
| 3:27 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
same happened to me, lost almost 50% of indexed pages, plus some pages are indexed with URL only.
At least Yahoo is being generous, but still, thats bad.
Does anibody know whats going on with G?
| 4:11 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It appears that Google is cleaning up the 302 redirect issue:
See GoogleGuy's first response on:
You guys have 302 scraper sites? ;)
| 6:38 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"....Of course, I can¡t do narly a thing here in Barcelona, except eat a tapas or a paella and drown my sorrows in sangria ;)...."
Check out the Bosc de las fades just off Rambla, great place to sink a few alcoholic bottles of google juice :)
| 7:18 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Are the pages that weren't removed ones that had original content or does it seem to be random which ones stay?
| 9:58 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ok, now its official.
Its not only me and you. I see a lot of sites being penalized, having only the URL indexed, and boy, this is baaad, specialy for datafeed driven sites.
I guess affiliate marketing won't be any easier for the next days.
| 10:15 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My thoughts are that you are going to have to make your site "different." Either use a dictionary and a synonym database and replace words or thing of sometihng even more clever.
| 11:34 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thats a good idea hdpt... I have also taken the same hit in the sites that I created. Luckily I am new to datafeed sites and they were only contributing about $10/day :)
I have some other ideas that I think may help google see the site as "different".
Is the main issue here duplicate content? Just wondering if anyone has confirmed that. I was told at another forum that it was the "freshbot" that indexed my pages quickly, then they got dropped and will slowly come back.
| 12:15 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
even as my sites are datafeed, the feed isnt very popular(i.e. not many out there) and the content's unique enough for enough pages that I doubt that particular reason is the cause.
If, however, they are targetting sites that grow up a lot in a short amount of time, then my site would fall into that category...
| 5:26 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I hate to be the spoilsport and burst this bubble...
After reading this thread, I can come to the conclusion most rfung's claims are probably bunk and he may have an alterior motives ie: to promote an ebook. I may be wrong, but after examining the evidence my claims hold water.
This is how bubbles begin people.
Let me introduce myself. I am an seasoned internet marketer with over six years under my belt promoting various online businsses and services. I have worked with many clients on various aspects of intenret marketing such as search engine optimization, adwords, copywriting, etc.
Going from $20/day to 250+or ..whatever as fung here clims in such a short period of time and be able to repeat it over and over day after day simply isn't possible when you start anaylyzing it.
You are running some MLM/ponzi/pyramid scheme in which case you can see such exponential growth in a very short period of time. And that would only occur for speculative such as investments.
He sells textbooks to put it bluntly. Its nothing new or revolutionary. There are many competitors.
A quick search on yahoo or google for 'textbooks' doesn't seem to show his site. I was able to determine this by weeding out all sites with a copyright date prior to 2004, and then by excluding sites without adwords or amazon affiliate systems.
So where does the traffic come from?
And how much traffic you you need to make $250/day from adsense and amazon over and over selling textbooks? A LOT!
An average adsense ad for textbook would probably pay about .1
With an average CTR of say 1 percent (above avergae), to make $100/day from the adsense would require a whopping 1000*100 or 100,000 visitors a day.
Since most traffic from textbooks is centered around amazon, helf, ebooks, ecampus, etc and other big names which are listed on the top ten of search engines, it reamins a great mystery where the traffic would come from to support the adsense income.
The amazon earnings are even less plausible. Amazon pays aff's about 7% for direct sales. So if a textbook is $100, thats 7 dollars. You would need about 20 orders a day for the $140 portion.
There is more I can say about this.
Anyway my 2 cents
Just some food for though before you get blindsided by the hype.
| 5:43 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I know rfung pretty well and I know what type of sites he does. He is in no way marketing an e-book (unless he’s fooled me). If you’ve read more than just this thread you would have picked up on this. Since his sites aren’t huge companies like amazon, border or barnes and noble, it would be foolish to go after the keyword “textbooks” when such huge companies could dominate that. The money, for now, is in niches. He has seen declines in his AdSense and peaks and works his ass off efficiently to try and make his websites popular, user friendly and large income generators. Don't mistake his motivation for ulterior motives. You are 100% wrong and I'll vouch for that.
So before rfung actually has to defend himself from guys like you, I'll do it for him.
| 5:56 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|After reading this thread, I can come to the conclusion most rfung's claims are probably bunk |
After reading the thread, you should have noticed a few other people chime in with similar results. We can't all be in the e-book racket, can we? (Too much work to write a book, blech)
It took me just over a year to go from no websites whatsover to $200+/day, and I've been plucking away at this an hour a day tops. Amazon... yeah, I only make about 1k a quarter from them, but CJ has some companies that pay a bigger percentage, and of course, Adsense remains the golden egg for now. You can make some pretty sweet deals selling adspace directly, too.
| 6:26 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
derfderfu7 you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
Just to pick apart one statement in your post:
You said that 1.0% ctr on adsense is above average... maybe... but it isnt hard to get above average with some tweaking.
I know rfung gets up to 8% CTR (maybe more).. and I myself get 3-4% CTR on datafeed sites. That makes it a little easier to reach the numbers.
And about another statement of yours:
As for your "research"... not one of my *datafeed* sites gets a single visitor for its main theme keyword and I doubt rfung's do either. It would be impossible to rank high for such terms with a datafeed site. The power comes when you get a lot of pages indexed. One of my recent sites has 29,000 pages in google now and I get about 1,000 visitors per day form that. That means that only 3.5% of my pages need to rank in the search engines to bring in decent traffic.
Anyways, before you start making these claims... I think you should educate yourself a bit more.
| 8:01 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
And one more thing before rfung makes it in here to defend himself, derf.
I'm pretty sure he's mentioned that the textbook site is NOT his money maker. And I've spoken to rfung several times via PM, and he's never even pointed me to his sites, much less tried to sell me anything.
***Let me introduce myself. I am an seasoned internet marketer with over six years under my belt promoting various online businsses and services. I have worked with many clients on various aspects of intenret marketing such as search engine optimization, adwords, copywriting, etc.***
Sounds to me like you're the one trying to sell something.
| 8:17 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I believe in rfung :)
| 8:32 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
LOL! First off, thanks y'alls!
To the ones who don't believe $150/day is possible (and I've acknowledged a bit of luck is involved) all I can say is power to you and to your scepticism, because it can be a good thing too.
But rest assured I'm real and I do have better things to do than to come up with any sort of elaborate hoax to trick people here into buying my new upcoming ebook on how to make a quick buck on the internet, on sale now if you sticky me for the low low price of $19.99. (it's a JOKE! don't pm me - you can still paypal me the money tho, if you insist).
Hasta luego, de Barcelona!
| 8:39 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
...by the length of this thread, perhaps his posting here was a ploy was to WRITE a book on 'making a quick buck' : )
|bloke in a box|
| 9:55 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just to add..
rfung hasn't claimed $200/day from textbooks, IIRC it was per month but I can't find the post - as the others said, seems like you need to do some more research. :)
| 12:07 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I almost feel sorry (almost) for those who don’t think $100, $150 or even $200 a day is possible; because that means you’ll never see $201.00 per day. i.e. you’ll never reach a goal if you think its not possible.
Do my sites make that much? Not yet, keyword (pun intended) is yet.
| 12:47 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Indeed $200 per day is possible - I'm not there yet but if everything goes well I will hit it within a few months.
This month I'm at $170/day, and it isn't a fulltime job for me - I'm still a student.
| 1:08 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
200/day isn't that hard to reach.
I've seen sites raking in about $1100/day. I've run sites that raked in about 600/day (my all time record is $780 in one day lol).
It's not impossible.
The person who came in and said it's not very likely needs to learn more about his job. He claims to be a "seasoned internet marketer"...hmmm...well methinks he's just got an ego and is looking for an argument.
Anywho, lets move on :)
Rfung - what's the status on your site now?
| 2:29 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|rfung hasn't claimed $200/day from textbooks, IIRC it was per month but I can't find the post - as the others said, seems like you need to do some more research. :) |
Yes, $200 per month (a bit more on start and end of school terms) for textbooks. I'm actually ranked quite high (#3) for a particular popular keyword. (obviously nothing as obvious and useless as 'textbooks') The other $200 number was obviously what I was at one point making per day. Its a bit down these days because I'm a lazy *** who isn't doing much work...
as far as my main site goes - still with less than 1k pages showing, and only two of them have a description... yesterday, with weekly fluctuations and all, I still raked in $180... not bad, but I'm afraid the $300/day goal is gonna take a bit longer than i thought :)
[edited by: eelixduppy at 10:03 pm (utc) on Feb. 18, 2009]
| 4:36 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have to pop in a vouch for rfung too.
Before I met him here I knew him from another forum I frequent and have seen both his profitable sites and atleast one of his more struggling sites.
Anyway, his method for quick quick free money viagra webmaster doesn't work anyway. Check out my quick free sex money ebook! Only $201.00, thats just one month revenue! Limited avaliably! Two for one deal! Free shipping! :)
| 4:38 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
hmmm.. I guess there's enough post already defending rfung's system.. hehe..
Anyways, I got into AM just august 2004 and I should say it's very possible... "$300/day"...
Last month I was trying some campaigns out and I made about $0-10 only.. months before that maybe few hundred a month... this month it was crazy... there was a day when I made almost $1000.
Of course I didn't do it alone, it was because of many motivational forums like this that keeps me going and going, help from many mentors and a lot of hard work, it wasn't easy and still isn't but it's very possible. :)
| 4:47 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hahaha! What a nice topic! I don't know rfung and haven't talked to him, but really, it's not impossible; Do not see a single reson not to believe him. He's quite ispiring guy, I can say his topics made me start my sites :) I 'm making $0/month so far, but my sites are not up just yet :)
However, I got one crazy idea, which I hope will even have a chance to get a lot of free blog and media attention and free links (Oh yeah!)
Enough offtopic. So, what's the current trend - if you plan to build a laaarge site, but well structured and optimized, of course, with content and some tweaked datafeeds, what works better - starting small or building it up until you have 10-20-30k pages and then submitting it to Google?
| 5:22 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Start small (10-15 pages), get some high PR links to get Googebot to visit your site.
Add 1 page per day
Add 5 links per week
Maintain this and you'll get indexed fairly well.
Google prefers constant growth, not big spikes of growth and then nothing for a long period of time.
Read the google patent that was posted here last week, very very good information on it. It may be 2 years old, but it comes right from Google so you know it's legit.
| 5:44 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks, Chris. I will look for this info. Btw, I'm Canadian resident, too :) Regarding datafeeds: I'm planning to add 20-50 merchants over the time, preferably ones with datafeeds. Using the "right strategy" I'm supposed to add those datafeeds slowly, then? But consistently...
Or may be exponential-like growth will look better for Google.. Like +10, +15, + 25, + 35, +50 pages a week (a day)?
| 9:51 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Then let's make a "Canuck Corner" as I've just begun a site of my own and am aiming for "getting back" all the content I put into it (regularily every two weeks, in fact) through an exploit like... well, rfung is inspiring : )
As for the "resident" part - I've been living here (Paris) since '89. Quick, gimme a tree to cut down...
| 9:54 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|but it comes right from Google so you know it's legit. |
That's only if you assume they never put out patents just to confuse things for the SEO forums crowd as to what they are really up to. :)