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rookiecrd1




msg:557088
 6:56 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a site that deals with random images, where users can comment on them and vote for the collest images. Not sure if I am allowed to put a url here or not. The site gets about 100,000 page views and 4,000 unique visotors per day mostly from teens and yound adult men.

What would you recommend? Cureently adsense is running but makes no more then $2 per day. Please help me. Anyone know if adbrite would be a good option?

 

webmastertexas




msg:557089
 7:01 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Use Fastclick or any of the other CPM-based banner advertisers. If you have such a large number, you should make a lot of money just from banner impressions alone, i.e. they don't have to click, you get paid a certain amount per 1000 impressions (CPM). So, sign up with Fastclick or any of its competitors, but I recommend Fastclick.

hannamyluv




msg:557090
 7:01 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Have you tried modifying your adsense?

Bright colors or no background (or both)?

Placement on page?

These things can have a huge impact on your CTR of adsense.

diamondgrl




msg:557091
 7:06 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, Adsense is not right for this site. Adsense is for sites with subject-matter content. Abandon it. Can't recommend a specific alternative, though.

Erku




msg:557092
 7:07 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's amazing Rockiecrd1,

How are you using your Adsnese that it brings only 2 dollars a day.

Best wishes.
Erku

[edited by: jcoronella at 3:16 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2005]

whoisgregg




msg:557093
 7:25 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

100,000 page views / 4,000 visitors = 25 pages per visitor

On a picture rating site this isn't unusual and the impulse to "click to vote" which typically takes the user to the next image is much stronger than the impulse to click on an ad. To compete with your "click to vote" you need a strong ad -- content matched text ads probably won't cut it.

Try ads with pictures of people in them or funny/offbeat pictures. That is why people are on your site, right? To look at interesting pictures? If you want to make money, have some interesting pictures that you get paid every time your users click one. :)

Zygoot




msg:557094
 7:49 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Try CPM-based advertising. For instance Fastclick (if they accept you). Or Casale Media.

If you can find a campaign with $1 per thousand visitors then you will earn $100 a day..

rookiecrd1




msg:557095
 8:28 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well The problem with the google ad is that the clicks earn me about $0.10 each. I have other sites that i average about $1.00 per click. Also, 50% of the time the alternate ad come up since there is no ads for the content.

So what do you guys recommend? Fastclicks? Any other idea?

Brian

webmastertexas




msg:557096
 8:35 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've basically tried every banner advertiser out there, with the exception of Tribal Fusion, they won't have me :(. Anyways, Fastclick, from my experience, pays the best (not the most, but the best). Of course you should sign up with Burst and Casale as well, to use them as default banners when your Fastclick inventory runs out. People go to your site for the pictures and to vote; they don't want to buy anything, so they won't click on any Adsense ads. Banner impressions is your best bet to make some money. And with 100,000 a day, you should make a pretty penny. As in, you should average $500 or more a month. Probably more.

itraykov




msg:557097
 9:20 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

ok, i'll drop the bomb. look for an affiliate that your audience will be interested in and slap on a big image banner

another tricky trick is to make your affiliate link a part of the navigation system... ooops did i just say that

forget about adsense

Staale




msg:557098
 9:51 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Erku:

Its not that i dont like you. (Dont know you)

But why do you want people to send you Mails in ALL of your posts in this forum? Its getting pretty strange...

Sorry for the off topic.

On topic:
Pages like forums and gallery is hard to get any money from, but $2 aday is not much. Do you have any text on your site?

Erku




msg:557099
 10:53 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dont' worry,

I realize that this is strange. But when I make a suggestion I make a suggestion or recommendation based on assesment of your site.

Yes my site is all articles.

What is strange is that people are afraid or cautious to let the name of their site go out.

Thank you.
Erku

[edited by: jcoronella at 3:17 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2005]

rfung




msg:557100
 11:21 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

What is strange is that people are afraid or cautious to let the name of their site go out.

It's really not that strange, given that any half decent web designer can mimic (if not downright steal) your site's theme and content if they are made aware of how much money you're bringing in with it.

I can put out a image rating site in a week or less, and for $500+ a month of revenue without much updating, that seems like a good proposition.

Tweak a bit,improve on what your competitor's lacking, and presto, you have a competitor fighting over the same eyeballs as yourself.

Or so the legend goes.

Erku




msg:557101
 11:50 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh I see,

I guess I did not think about this. Now it makes sense to me. Now I view things different.

Thank you.

Erku

ignatz




msg:557102
 9:45 am on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a site that deals with random images, where users can comment on them and vote for the collest images. Not sure if I am allowed to put a url here or not. The site gets about 100,000 page views and 4,000 unique visotors per day mostly from teens and yound adult men.

What would you recommend? Cureently adsense is running but makes no more then $2 per day. Please help me. Anyone know if adbrite would be a good option?

I'd seriously consider affiliates, even something as simple as Amazon. For your audience, maybe work at displaying the latest DVD releases or popular music.

Also, you might clean up if you can find an adult affiliate. When I go to BoingBoing I'm always distracted by those damn ads ;)

fclark




msg:557103
 1:57 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

adult affiliate

Seems an option only if you plan to truly split your site into separate versions: a clean one for the teens and the other for the young adults... certainly wouldn't want to expose underage visitors to this, right?

maximillianos




msg:557104
 3:01 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Try TribalFusion.com. They pay a decent CPM rate... I've been using them for over a year now and have no complaints. They have good filtering abilities as well to allow you to block ads based on themes (flashing, adult, etc) instead of having to specify domains, etc.

Erku




msg:557105
 3:27 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

By the way,

What is the average CPM on Tribal? I have heard they pay the highest in the industry. However, I don't participate since my site does not have that many unique visitors yet.

Thank you.
Erku

rookiecrd1




msg:557106
 6:14 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I applied to Tribal fusion about a week ago and still have not heard back from them Any idea how long this takes?

Brian

webmastertexas




msg:557107
 8:21 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Egh, give up on Tribal Fusion. Those guys are so picky it's ridiculous. You'd have to be in the top 10 of your industry/area to get in with those guys, and even then it's no guarantee. Your best bet is to use Fastclick and Burst! in a chain.

graywolf




msg:557108
 11:23 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wrote a PHP script to randomly choose 1 of the 12 most garish color combinations I could possibly create. Revenue increased 30%.

ignatz




msg:557109
 1:07 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wrote a PHP script to randomly choose 1 of the 12 most garish color combinations I could possibly create. Revenue increased 30%.

Might I ask which general category your site was in?

graywolf




msg:557110
 6:14 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Might I ask which general category your site was in?

it's a general information site, no aff products. It's actually family friendly and safe, something you could show kids and parents. I love the site but I built it using methods I learned when I worked for someone else and had a staff. It's a real PIA to maintain, so I hardly ever touch it anymore.

vabtz




msg:557111
 4:53 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I run a popular forum that has had had an awful time making money

When I first read this I tried moving my affiliate links to my navigation as suggested and I increased my clickthroughs by a large amount. [ thanks for the tip :-) ]

Also I moved adsense to the bottom section of my site and went full page banner ( 728 * 90 I think are the deminsions ). Tracking shows that while these get less views they get very good click throughs comparatively. I surmise that a use that scrolls all the way to the bottom is a bored user looking for something to do.

Garish colors don't work for me it drives my users away.

Erku




msg:557112
 5:11 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Babtz's post is very interesting in terms of Adsense being on the bottom but having good clickthrough.

This make sense, because people read the page and they get to the bottom and they want to do something else, and here is a relevant info.

Anyone else had the same experience?

Thank you
Erku

vabtz




msg:557113
 5:48 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

the thing is with a forum its nearly impossible to intergrate the ad's into the content. The users just don't see that ad's

There was another suggestion that I am still testing but preliminary results indicates it was a good move.

It was rewriting my forum to place a adsense ad after the first post in a thread. This way the user is more likely to see it. Like I said it seems to be working well but I don't have enough data yet to be conclusive.

rookiecrd1




msg:557114
 5:39 am on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Vab, are you using Vbulletin, and if so, what section do you edit to do this?

vabtz




msg:557115
 6:51 am on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

no I am using phpbb

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