| 5:33 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> So, what is it that you do?
Print Money :)
| 5:53 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm not full time yet, but if people ask I say I do "internet marketing". If I say "affiliate marketing", I get either a blank stare or a scolding: "isn't that some dodgy industry?"
| 6:05 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Online publishing. From the sounds of your sites rfung, you are publishing quality original content and getting paid for advertising. I am full time and the easiest way I explain it to people is through the publishing angle.
| 6:30 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
These are great answers.
I've tried explaining that I'm doing "Affiliate marketing", and the comments I've gotten were along the lines of side glance 'isnt that MLM?' and then I go and explain 'you know amazon? if you have a site and put a link on your site to them, and someone clicks on it and ends up buying something on Amazon, I get a percent of the sale. Perfectly legit'. Too long.
I've considered saying I'm a webmaster, but that doesn't quite ring true either.
I've used "I run a few websites". Which garners the question "oh, which ones?" and then I don't quite feel confortable telling them x.com , y.com and z.com because it just doesn't paint the correct picture without more details and then we're back to affiliate marketing.
Anyway, not to say there's a right answer here, but was wondering the different variations - trivial, yes, but I'd be looking for something that can be somewhat self descriptive, doesn't bring up shady connections to MLM/spamming, and if it doesn't scare the ladies by sounding too geeky, that would be great :)
Lol - today's my REAL last day at my job... so I need to find myself a new 'job title'.
| 7:52 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
They ask, "So, what do you do?"
I say, "I make websites."
That's all I say. Then, if they ask, "What kind of websites?"
I say, "I sell stuff."
Thats all I say. Then, if they ask, "What kind of stuff?"
I say, "All kinds of stuff."
Thats all I say. Then they usually quit asking.
If I have to fill in a blank, "Occupation: _______", I'd write, "Web Site Designer." Or, I could write, "Web Site Maker."
| 8:03 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Go to the mailbox and get checks.
| 8:09 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
When they ask, "What do you do"
I say "work in my undies" (that's only to my friends)
Then if they want to get serious, I say "I work in Internet Technologies"
Then if they ask for more, I say "It's very complicated, that's all I can say"
| 8:18 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I say I'm retired, but dabble on the internet for fun, which is the truth!
I read a great story somewhere about job titles - this woman works for a modern firm where nobody has a job title, and she has a big client meeting the next day. She approaches her boss and argues that she needs business cards and a job title to prove her status with big clients. Her boss asks her what job title she would like so she says "Just anything that makes it look like I'm in a highly senior position here".
Next day she gets a box of 500 business cards as discussed - the job title reads simply "Supreme Commander"!
Well, it made me laugh at the time?
| 8:22 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I usually say I edit a magazine.
If they ask for more info I explain that it's an internet publication.
If they ask for more info I go into detail about what I write about, who I interview and how I go about researching.
If they ask about how I get paid, I say "through advertising".
I don't go into it any further than that.
I am interested in talking about what I do for those who are curious to know. I am not at all interested in talking about how I get paid for it.
When I'm done, people usually ask me if they can submit some of their own work or writing to be published on my site.
| 8:34 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Next day she gets a box of 500 business cards as discussed - the job title reads simply "Supreme Commander"! |
Back in the dotcom days, when everything was new and hyped up, people came up with all sorts of funky titles. One of the dotcoms I worked with, we talked about titles and "Lord of the Monkeys" came up.
Not to detract from the main topic, does anyone here doing AM full time have business cards? what does it say?
| 4:27 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Heh, I used to struggle to explain it to people, too. It got easier when I officially turned it into a business. Now I just say I run an internet business. If they want more info, I say I run a network of content sites and make money via advertising. I don't even try to explain the affiliate marketing side of things.
|Next day she gets a box of 500 business cards as discussed - the job title reads simply "Supreme Commander"! |
lol... I am so putting that on my next batch of business cards.
| 10:51 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)|
You are an internet marketer. That's all you need on a business card, unless you are looking to give your cards to companies to make money through their affiliate program. Then you put "Super Affiliate" or "5 Bar CJ publisher".
Although, I think I would like the title of a Y! employee at a conference. "Lead Surfer". :)
| 11:28 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)|
This is a good question. I tell people that I am in 'internet marketing'.
Most people don't care what you do but to the few that ask more, I say, "I build websites that help other people sell their products and services."
I do hate when people say "Which websites?". A friend of mine who is also in affiliate marketing came up with a great answer to that which I have yet to try using.
He says, "I wish I could talk about it but I am under non-disclosure clauses with my clients". A little white lie never killed anyone but will hopefully help end this conversation.
About business cards, there was no need to have any but I made some earlier this year before I went to a search engine conference.
On my business cards, I put my company name on there. I used the name of my incorporated company. Underneath that I put my name with the title, President. I used my email address associated with my ISP rather than email accounts from my websites.
By not referring to my websites on my business cards, I figured I could meet other search marketers and feel free giving them my cards without disclosing my websites. Oh, and by the way, I talked to very few people and did not give out any cards at the conference.
Here is quick story about being asked what I do. I had not seen my dentist in a while as I had moved out of town. He asked what I was doing. When I told him internet marketing, he said, "Oh, you sell stuff on e-bay.". I wanted to smack him.
rfung, congrats on taking the plunge. You sound like you work hard at this and enjoy it and I think that will help make this work for you.
| 12:41 am on Oct 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have ended up telling people that I operate a few web sites and I earn my living by selling advertising on the web sites. This always leads to the question of "which web sites" and I've learned that if I dodge this question, the person starts to talk to me like I must operate porn sites. Now I tell them the names of a few of them and when their eyes glaze over I stop.
| 2:28 am on Oct 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> I do hate when people say "Which websites?"
I run a couple of trophy websites (as you know they make no $$$) just for that reason :) .
| 2:41 am on Oct 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|I run a couple of trophy websites (as you know they make no $$$) just for that reason :) . |
That's good. I think I will just send them to WebmasterWorld and tell them that is my site. Heck, I may as well tell them my name is Brett ;-)
(Not implying that WW makes no money, but it is a trophy site to be proud of.)
| 9:12 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I usually say "Online Marketing" or that I own an Online Marketing Company. If they ask more I say I promote products and services online via websites and online advertising.
It always amazes me how few people dig for more information, where if I didn't do this for a living and I met someone who did, then I would be asking all kinds of questions.
As far as forms that ask for occupation, I usually put "self employed". I guess I could put CEO (of a one man company), but that would probably bring more questions.
| 10:14 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I seem to get this question alot. I tell them I do Internet Marketing. I never really try to explain it. I'd hate to explain how I turned my computer into an ATM.
| 10:34 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
A followup to the original question:
aren't your friends/relatives curious as to what you do given that they see your lifestyle? and if they ask more details about it, do you tell/guide them? and do they listen/research and become succesful themselves?
I've been telling my friends some of the answers above(thanks everyone) and they all say (half heartedly I must admit) that 'oh can you make me a website?' - which if they were serious about any sort of online venture (not necessarily AM) I would - for a percent of ownership, but that hasn't been the case yet.
So my experience and my answer to the above has been pretty abysmal. Here's a chance to "make money from home" and yet people don't seem keen to pick it up. I guess it has to do with the fact that I'm known to be the 'computer guy'(and I hate that!) so anything I must be doing must be in the scope of my expertise and out of reach of mere mortals. :)
| 11:45 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
What it boils down to Rfung, is that people are lazy... Pure and simple. They don't want to go that extra mile to free themselves from 9-5 slavery. They want everything done for them.
Things will never change, just be happy that you are not one of them.
All the Best,
| 2:25 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I used to say affiliate marketing. People would say Huh?.
Then I started saying I was in Internet Marketing, and they asked me if I would build them a web site.
Now I say e-commerce, and we are able to move on to other topics.
| 4:13 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
although I'm not full time yet, I've mentioned this to most of my close friends who actually understands after a quick explanation on what I'm trying to do.... I guess.. when you live in the middle of Silicon Valley most of your friends will be in IT as well... easy enough for me at this point I guess...
| 4:47 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm in San jose, but my friends are mostly (former) business students like myself, and yet ...blank stare on their faces :)
| 2:13 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Tell them your selling widgets ;)
| 2:31 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think most people think it is some kind of get-rich quick scheme, and in a way, I suppose it is.
I don't know many industries that you can make so much money for so little effort. The key is knowledge, though. Something that most people are not willing to invest time and effort in.
For every affiliate that succeeds, there are 10 that fail. Not because there isn't a place for them, but because they didn't take the time to find the right place. I have offered to teach a dozen people how to do this, and each time the person balks at how much there is to learn and yet marvel at how little actual work it take to make so much.
| 4:35 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I used to say affiliate management consultant, but the word affiliate typically creates a blank stare, so I am going to start trying ecommerce consultant. Some day when I'm in a fun mood and it's a stranger where I don't really care what they think I'll say Internet MatchMaker. ;-)
| 5:30 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've realized that telling people "online marketing" is not very useful, as they automatically assume that "online marketing" means "spamming" ... so "Web Development" works out just fine.
| 7:16 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Isn't it always fun when you go to the bank with a couple dozen checks from various advertisers and in casual conversation they ask what you do? My favorite was when a teller said:
"So you work for Google?"
I always find it almost impossible to explain what I do in under 30 seconds so now I just deposit them in the ATM :)
| 9:59 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
hannamyluv, I couldn't agree more with the 1 in ten rule. For every 10 people that ask me for help (which I never deny), one actually does something other than tell me why they're definitely going to do this "just as soon as..."
What they're actually saying is "I don't have the guts to jump, is there another way?"
For anyone planning to email me - NO, there isn't.
The difference between success and failure is not knowledge, it's courage to take risks. Being ready to fail and learn is a big threat to one's ego, but it's only when we drop the ego and become humble enough to understand that real success only comes from many attempts that we'll start to grow.
For anyone "on the wall" with this, go for it! Today!
Life is not a rehearsal.
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