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For the noobs - $20 a day is possible
and it's just a midstep to $100 a day?...
rfung




msg:524507
 5:38 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

My story: About a year ago I got into affiliate marketing. I read TONS of messages from this board and a couple others. Learned a lot and also learned that I know very little about this game :)

I am happy to say that this week with school starting, I broke the $20/day barrier...this month I will make the most ever so far at about $800 or so, all profit!

I sell BOOKS from Amazon, among other things. Not a big money maker, and tons of others do the same, so I am not too worried about being secretive about it :)

It also illustrates that one can pick up any product and break into the market and make some extra money. I don't know about you but $800 isn't pocket change for me :) 20" LCD monitor here it comes ;)

One thing I have to say to noobs about what they should do is , JUST DO IT!. Build a site, even if it has one page. It takes a few weeks to a couple months to get found by the search engines, so it's important that you at least get your domain going. Of course the more pages you have upfront, the easier it will be for you to be found.

Once you have the barebones of a site, I would really start getting some content. Write about a hobby of yours if you feel there's enough interest out there. Try and add an article every week or so. Break big articles into multiple pages, etc. Only YOU can decide what to build your site on. Read some of the more exhaustive threads on the topic on this forum.

I would say that the most important thing afterwards would be inbound links. I contacted over 300 sites in the span of a year. Find out what sites link to your competitors, then ask them to link to you. Obviously the better content you have, the better luck you will have with getting webmasters to link to you.So, content again.

Link exchanging boosted up my site to Pr5, and got me in the first page of serps for some major keywords, which in turn has netted me affiliate sales and adsense income. Whereas before I would have to seek out link partners, these days they find me!..it's quite an 'ego trip' when your site gets to be the one others are requesting link exchanges with! I've even had pr6 and pr7 sites sending me requests.

Anyway - I just wanted to share this , and hopefully it will serve as a motivation for those trying to break into the field.

It can be done!...

 

Zygoot




msg:524657
 3:30 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Has anyone ever hired one or more people to write content for your websites - in order to boost your revenue with the extra hits that those articles may get?

And how much do you pay them to write articles for your site?

hdpt00




msg:524658
 3:38 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I usually find people I know can write, nothing from elance or rentacoder. I've tried those two and the quality was terrible.

I generally pay college students or grads $10 an article. Let them write one and if they are good get them working full time.

GuitarZan




msg:524659
 4:13 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Sean thanks for the tax answers. What if I had dual citizenship (American and Canadian)... Would that change anything. Like could I go to the states and then start some sort of a tax haven there, because I already have an American Citizenship.

Hey... There's a reason the rich stay rich :)

C.K.

SeanW




msg:524660
 4:22 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

GuitarZan

As I understand it, your citizenship is irrelevent -- It's where you live that matters. And under the tax treaties Canada and the US have between themselves and other countries, the 183 day rule determines the country of residency.

I don't know how it works if you live somewhere without a tax treaty.

A good accountant should be able to help you structure yourself to lower your taxes. He'll tell you the things you can write off, how to keep the records to do it, etc.

Sean

itraykov




msg:524661
 5:42 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would like to say that you don't get rich by saving little money. You get rich by making a LOT :)

Procyon




msg:524662
 7:28 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I would like to say that you don't get rich by saving little money. You get rich by making a LOT :)"

You can get quite rich following either method - with "making a lot" being preferable of course. :)

The former method takes a lot longer....

GuitarZan




msg:524663
 9:06 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Why not do both? :) Make a lot of money, and then save as much as possible from taxes.

C.K.

itraykov




msg:524664
 11:14 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Why not do both? :) Make a lot of money, and then save as much as possible from taxes. "

That would work too :)

tsinoy




msg:524665
 3:54 am on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

doing both is good, many millionaires do concentrate on making money though because you might be able to make more than you save.

example would be to spend few days working on your taxes or pay someone to do your taxes and spend those few days working on promoting your product.

well.. something I learned from the millionaire mind..

GuitarZan




msg:524666
 4:14 am on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

That is an important point Tsinoy. People that know how to make money don't spend their time dealing with issues like taxes when they could pay someone experienced to do it, and they could then focus on making money.

I remember listening to a conversation this summer between my 2 uncles. The one uncle was trying to get the other one to dig up his septic to save money on digging costs. The uncle said why would I do that when I charge $180 per hour for my job, and this hour job would charge $10.

You have to think like that.

rfung




msg:524667
 10:22 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm really excited about a new development, so I just wanted to post that I am almost positive I will reach the $100/day a month this month. More news to follow.

A quick report: I've started paying for advertisement on another site, because I think it will be worth in the long run for the growth of the site(s). I've put up $200 for a month of ads in a site with a few thousand pages. I will keep that budget for 3 months and see what happens.

I ran into this long-butt thread from 8 months ago:

[webmasterworld.com...]

I was learning (and making absolutely zilch), and others might find some more inspiration on those messages as well. If I can break the $100/day for the next 2 months... I'll start a new thread for my quest for the $300/day :)

Happy New Year everyone!

qwer




msg:524668
 12:22 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rfung, your earnings are increasing really fast!

I think, I was lucky enough to find something that awards you when you work hard, like affiliate marketing. As far as I have heard, somebody commented, that it will be nonsense to live your job if you are making only 1000US$/month. I would not be so sure. In my country, this is approximately the monthly income, if you don't have at least 10 years experience (like me, a 20 years old student) and work full-time (and it is nearly impossible to make more).
But it seems, that in affiliate marketing it isn't very difficult to double it. I am really seriously thinking to put the university "on hold" and start doing professionaly affiliate marketing.

hdpt00




msg:524669
 4:34 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can do university and affiliate marketing. I wouldn't skip out on a good education.

rfung




msg:524670
 6:02 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

it will be nonsense to live your job if you are making only 1000US$/month. I would not be so sure. In my country, this is approximately the monthly income

I went away to the UK for a month, and stopped by Portugal for a few days last Nov. The average salary in Portugal is $600USD(forget London,hehe). I'm seriously contemplating moving to Europe and trying life there for a bit, coming April actually.

I wouldn't quit my schooling though. Reminds me of stories I've heard where this 'talented artist/sports person' quits school to pursue their acting/football career, only to find out later on when they couldn't quite make it to the top, that now there's nothing to fall back on.

qwer




msg:524671
 8:21 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I wouldn't quit my schooling though. Reminds me of stories I've heard where this 'talented artist/sports person' quits school to pursue their acting/football career, only to find out later on when they couldn't quite make it to the top, that now there's nothing to fall back on."

I only said to put the university "on hold", not to give it up. If I want, I can restart it at any time.
At the moment I am studying something Very Very different from affiliate marketing or computer science.
Unfortunately, I don't like very much things that I am studying very sistematically and for several years, so if I had chosen to study computer science, maybe now I would be saying something very different regarding to computers.

BeauCreative




msg:524672
 8:33 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think you all are on the right track, I like the discussion going on here. I have been involved in the affilaite marketing game and I remember when I was so excited to make $300/month... now after learning more and more, I find it extremely easy to add promotion campaigns at will that bring in 30-100/day. I am currently making about 15k-25k/month due to fluctuations with different programs dropping off.

If you stick with it, you will learn more and more new principles as you go. You will then be able to apply those principles to each new project that you work on to increase your success.

rfung




msg:524673
 10:23 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Beau, thanks for your contribution. Are a PPC player, or website, or what?

Even as I'm riding on some reasonable success, I'm wondering if there are faster ways to go about it. PPC seems very attractive, but it's so far off my knowledge base that I feel I can go 'slow and steady' on the websites than 'crashing and burning' in the PPC arena.

johnnie




msg:524674
 12:17 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can do university and affiliate marketing. I wouldn't skip out on a good education.
So true. Don't leave uni 'on hold'. If you get used to the money, you'll never return..
eyeinthesky




msg:524675
 1:07 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reminds me of stories I've heard where this 'talented artist/sports person' quits school to pursue their acting/football career, only to find out later on when they couldn't quite make it to the top, that now there's nothing to fall back on.

No offense, but I feel there's precisely the reason why so many people fail at biz - the fear of not having something to "fall back on".

If you read Napolean Hill, you'll know why "burning your bridges" will, in the end, be much better than having all your bridges still behind you.

The reason is that once your escape route is cut off, you will be forced to survive and prosper -- failure is not an option anymore.

In other words, if you make up your mind to go into aff mktg, then just go for it with every fibre of your being. Don't ever give up. You need to have a change in mindset from that of an employee to that of an entrepreneur ie a risk taker.

Great things happen when you apply your mind to it. Your mind is your greatest secret weapon, use it.

BeauCreative




msg:524676
 1:54 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

rfung, i started as strictly a web developer (I have been doing that for a long time), but I found it much harder to make a lot of money through my advanced sites (take a look at www.[no site specifics please].com, I currently make about $5/day from that site). I still develop websites, but the bulk of my income comes from PPC.

I am currently working on a book that I think will solve your problem. You wont have to worry about going too fast, I have a solution for that.

The book isnt finished yet, so I cant give out any more information as of now ;)

[edited by: jcoronella at 2:52 am (utc) on Jan. 24, 2005]

GuitarZan




msg:524677
 4:41 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Once again eyeinthesky, well said! I agree whole heartedly with you.

If you doubt yourself there are gonna be problems! Stop worrying about if or when Affiliate Marketing is going to die, and just make money. It's funny, but have you ever noticed how when you worried really bad about something, it usually never happened anyways?

Something to think about.

All the Best,

C.K.

AffiliateDreamer




msg:524678
 12:53 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Then you'd better worry so it won't happen then no? hehe

Bubzeebub




msg:524679
 4:36 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

can someone sticky me an example of a good AM site? I want to have a good idea of what I should set my sights upon

GuitarZan




msg:524680
 8:37 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Then you'd better worry so it won't happen then no? hehe

Reread my post dude, you got it mixed up.

I am saying don't worry about stupid crap, and just make money and continue growing.

Listen to eyeinthesky and make the switch from employee to business man.

C.K.

AffiliateDreamer




msg:524681
 12:24 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

you said: "It's funny, but have you ever noticed how when you worried really bad about something, it usually never happened anyways? "

So when you worry, nothing happens. Thus if you don't worry, something *might* happen.

That's why I said, worry to ensure nothing happens.
(unless i'm reading it wrong twice!)

rfung




msg:524682
 12:49 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

affdreamer: I think you're right. I tend to think of myself as having bad luck when flipping the coin, so that I'll always call one side, but then think about the other side. Most of the time I call it right:)

But back on the AM topic - if only things were that simple. Anyone without a plan (or a backup) runs the risk of being left stranded.

eyeinthesky




msg:524683
 2:18 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

But back on the AM topic - if only things were that simple. Anyone without a plan (or a backup) runs the risk of being left stranded.

Nobody said staying the course is simple. Giving up is the simplest thing to do :)

Your backup plan shouldn't be to quit and go back to your job. It should be a backup plan to help you stay the course in AM should you face a temporary setback :)

rfung




msg:524684
 4:50 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Your backup plan shouldn't be to quit and go back to your job. It should be a backup plan to help you stay the course in AM should you face a temporary setback :)

Quitting AM to go back to a job isn't a backup plan. Being up to date with your job skills if you need to go back to your job is. But even that depends on wether you want to pursue the same job before you left, which I don't :) My dream job is (the mother of all cliches) to become a playboy photographer.

jstar




msg:524685
 5:57 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why can't you have your cake and eat it? My current job provides a stable income that my family can rely on, while my 5 to 10 hours of "work" per week on my sites (I put "work" in quotes because I enjoy it to the point where it's really more like a hobby for me) lets me save money and do things with my family that the stable income alone could never support.

It's possible I could have a better bottom line by just doing my hobby full time, but at what cost to the quality of my life? Will I live in constant fear of the next Google update, or when some service I depend on goes belly up? Will I feel the need to stay connected to the 'net every waking hour 365 days a year to keep up with things?

While I encourage anybody with a good idea to go for it, full time employment and part time entrepreneurship can often complement each other quite well.

jleane




msg:524686
 12:54 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you do alot of PPC stuff theres not as much fear about the next google update. I mean google traffic is brilliant but you shouldnt rely on it for the very reason you brought up.

Bubzeebub




msg:524687
 1:34 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

...so tell me...how do I get started? I want in! I want in!

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