| 2:21 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I also face that problem of growing and maintenance. I try and make my sites as maintenance free as possible, by making them 'self updateable', with scripts to allow link exchanges to take place without my intervention, or the ability for users to post comments (forum style).
As far as traffic, right now I'm banking on some of the pages hitting keywords that aren't very targetted by others, but ultimately I want to be able to rely on PR (or whatever passes for 'high relevancy') to increase hits. For that,
|I've also enlisted some external resources to help me with my link campaign |
i.e hired some cheap help to go link hunting for me. It takes money to make money, I say, so I reckon it will be a good investment in the long run.
| 2:29 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
how cheap is cheap for these helpers? is this from guru.com? is it effective? I would pay money if i could find people to find lasting links that don't have maintenance costs.. and ppc would be great if there was more money coming in than it was costing..
link exchanges work great when you're already established.. most people find you from serps so until you get into them not many people would be aproaching you for inbound links..
| 3:10 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well, all I can say is that I get them pretty cheap, I'll chalk this one up to trade secret.
You are correct that because my sites are new, people are not too keen to link to them, but out of 100 requests you may get 5-10, and it's a start.
The bottom line is wether you can afford it, either through money paid, or through time spent(opportunity cost).
My pr5 site gets almost daily requests for link exchanges though, and oddly enough I ignore most of them because I don't have it automated. However on occasion I've exchanged links cross sites( i.e. one link on mine, in exchange for a link to one of my other sites).
| 1:53 pm on Nov 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Just a quick update (and reviving this really old thread):
for the month of November I've averaged $50/day.
A couple of interesting things happened:
- one of my sites that last month generated $500 suddenly dropped out out of the serps and so far it has generated $20!... that hurt!..otherwise I'd have broken the $60/day mark...
- my 2nd site has taken an upshoot and made close to $700 with most of it coming from adsense.
- my flagship site(amazon books) makes up the other $600. It's currently being redesigned, but I'm afraid of going through with that for fear of losing my top position in G.
- my new site has started generating some money, so far $100. I'm working heavily(i.e paying someone to do it) on doing some link exchanges with this site so it should go up in the next update.
- I have an adwords campaign, and that has netted me about $50(profit) with $200 spent... almost not worth it, but hey money is money.
So even if one of my major sources went dry, the increase in traffic on the other sites made up for it. The objective is of course to stop this trend so that it keeps going up and up!... with xmas coming up it will be interesting to see if I'll see a big increase in revenue..maybe reach $100/day? I'll be happy if I stay at the same level or if I can make $65-$70/day for december.
... I've been on 'vacation' travelling through the UK, so I haven't worked on any website related stuff.. which is great that I can do that :D and still reap in the rewards..ehhe.
Lovin' it!...(except how cold it is)
| 7:46 pm on Nov 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
that's cool... congrats on your numbers.
btw, did you find that most people are willing to buy cheaper stuff online (ie. books) rather than electronics or computers?
| 11:39 pm on Nov 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Think bigger, rfung. $200 a day is definitely within reach for you in December.
Merry X'mas - ho,ho,ho!
| 8:05 am on Nov 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
...don't get my hopes up, I have a weak heart! ;)
I had calculated that if I were to keep at the current growth rate, I could be making $10k/month in a year's time.
| 10:55 am on Nov 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Is that growing more sites or if your current sites keep increasing in revenue?
My guess is that a sites income will surely level off, meaning if your experiencing 10% growth per month, there has to be a ending point.
whereease if you are creating new sites continously, that's another story.
am I right?
| 12:14 pm on Nov 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|My guess is that a sites income will surely level off, meaning if your experiencing 10% growth per month, there has to be a ending point. |
10% compounded monthly over a few years is still a scary scenario -- if you start with just $50 a day or$1,500pm ;)
| 9:22 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Is that growing more sites or if your current sites keep increasing in revenue? |
As with most things in life, its never black or white, so it's a little bit of both. I think somewhere in this thread I mentioned that I was creating a new site from an Amazon feed, so this month it started paying off. The other increase in revenue was from more traffic to an existing site.
| 11:03 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
i keep checking back on this thread as it keeps giving me the enthusiasm to get going with AM myself.
Unfortunately my early attempts haven't reaped any rewards yet, but I am still within the small learning budget I have set myself.
So keep posting updates rfung, it's a great thread for us humble noobs :)
I'm just waiting for that first conversion....
| 6:07 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
as I was happily working my way to average $100/day this month, the unthinkable happened - my flagship site dropped in the serps to page 6 and 8 for keywords where I was 5 and 8 on the first page!...
Consequently, I'm pulling about half of what I was before...argh!... I should still be able to pull in more than last month, but this is one of those bumps on the road. Thank goodness that my other site(s) are more general in topic that I'm hoping they'll hold their ground.
So much for a merry Xmas :)
| 6:23 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Reaching $100 (and beyond ;) ) a day is also my new goal.
Currently I have two sites but they don't really have a keyword. They have a few thousands of pages which are all related to one subject. So I can't really focus on a few keywords because each page has other ones.
Within a few weeks I'm planning to build a few new sites to help me earn just that little bit more.
| 11:58 am on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It is possible. rfung is not lying ;)
I reached 20$/day mark 2 weeks ago (it took me 4 months).i am kinda happy but i cannot stop thinking about launching new websites and earning even more. So wants you pop, you can't stop :)
| 3:50 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Sometimes a little patience is in order. So far this month I am averaging about $10 a day. Since I have off a week from work, I am going to redesign a few pages and add about 100 unique content pages. :) These pages will be completely SE optimized! I am hoping this time next month ai will be averaging $20 a day. Next stop, $100 a day and a new truck!
| 4:04 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm in the same boat. Finally added affilate stuff to my adsense and I'm now at $10/day with 5 sites. Traffic varies from <50 uniques to about 500. 4 of the sites are highly targeted and just launched a new one that is more general but still within a niche. Hopefully this one will be more productive over the long run.
| 11:49 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Besides adsense, what other affiliate stuff are you all using?
| 8:36 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Man, I gotta tell ya, I have great success with Amazon and other affiliate programs using adwords. My secret is simple, instead of trying to chase down the "hot" products, I stick with steady, everyday products that lots of people search for but few people advertise.
When you go the hot product route, you end up changing with the winds. But find something that people look for and buy all the time and you begin to build a steady stream of income with ROI's above 100%.
That's about what I average, 100%-175% ROI. That means that if I spend $100 advertising, I know that I'm going to pull in $200-$275 in a commissions. That treanslates into $100-$175 a day.
With that kind of income, you can do more than buy a 20" LCD, you can buy a Ferrari! :)
| 9:10 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Just to update: this month I've hit $60/day.
I've also decided to try my hand at doing more adwords at the same time I work on my sites.
| 9:48 pm on Dec 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
After reading this amusing thread from the page 1... i found myself ..shamed.
I hit $20/day over a year ago and I am still there!
I didn't want to quit my day job because I love it (yeah, what do you know?).
Another reason is actually the risk of Affiliate Marketing. The search engine world changes so fast that you may find yourself in the dust one day...without knowing it's coming.
So, yes. Your sites can disappear from SEs and Google can ban affiliates from bidding for direct-merchants traffic, etc, etc.
It is really risky.
Until you know you can live off of it, don't quit your day job.
If you make $1300/day (as someone mentioned on other threads), you may think about quitting. :)
Good luck to you all.
| 11:02 pm on Dec 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Until you know you can live off of it, don't quit your day job. |
Most definitely. I'm living with my folks, and have no debt to speak of, so I can afford the slow growth, and the ups and downs. Anyone with responsabilities should consider taking it slower, which kinda puts it in a bind. The more time you put into it, the faster you can grow.
| 1:52 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Until you know you can live off of it, don't quit your day job. |
.. no offense but that's exactly the reason why most affiliates don't make good money ;)
Believe in yourself and just do it!
| 2:30 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I agree with eyeinthesky. I did just that. People may think Iam crazy but I think I know what Iam doing and I have a lot of confidence in myself. My former job just wouldn't become a ticket to my dreams no matter how hard I work at it. If Iam going to work my a*s off anyway, I'd rather do it in something more likely to give greater returns. Been working full time for almost 3 months working on 3 separate sites. I expect to launch all 3 this January with a bang. :-)
| 4:21 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
are you making any money now? now that you are working on it full time? I'm also planning to go full time myself sometime soon. Maybe when I reach a level wherein it can cover for all my daily needs/responsibilities.
I've only been doing this for 4 months, am hoping to reach $20/day average this month.
| 5:46 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Keep approaching this as a hobby and you'll keep only earning "hobby" change. Make this into a full-time job and you'll start earning "job" wages, or even more.
| 7:40 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Keep approaching this as a hobby and you'll keep only earning "hobby" change. Make this into a full-time job and you'll start earning "job" wages, or even more. |
Definitely agree. Once you have a rent or mortgage payment riding on your success, you'll be surprised at how motivated you are to work on your sites every day, and your earnings will go up as a result. As for being dropped from the SERPs, if you build a lot of good solid content sites and don't try to game the SEs, they'll do fine in the long run.
I never really get the don't-quit-your-day-job mentality. You got a job once, you can get one again if everything tanks. It's really not any more fickle than working for a company that might have to downsize at any given time.
PS Congrats on your success, rfung. Start establishing your credit now if you haven't already, and your first move out of the panrets' house could be into your own =)
| 7:51 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|and your first move out of the parents' house could be into your own =) |
LoL. Thanks! That would be awesome. But I'm already planning on moving out to Europe and travel around, exploring and living here and there for 3 months at a time..or so the plan goes... gotta increase the revenue in the next 3 months.
| 8:43 am on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Sound advice Teshka.
| 12:00 pm on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think you're my compatriot by the sound of your handle. (tama ba pare ko)
Iam earning money on the net now but not in the affiliate arena. I've been building websites for years but it was only 3 months ago when I got wise to the possibilities of e-marketing (dumb boy me). Since then, I abandoned making websites for other people and started building sites for my own [marketing]-use. Since I stopped taking in new projects, I have no regular income now. But with my 3 sites approaching completion, Iam very confident of the future.
Its a risky move, but I thought, if I approach this cautiously and build one site at a time on a part-time basis, it might take me years to get any decent income. I lost 3 maybe 4 or even 5 months worth of "salary", but at least when I finally get to start, I have plenty of marketing options.
Iam not considering myself an AM now. What I have been doing in the past 3 months is all preparation. Full-time preparation. Study, read, research, experiment, study some more, and build sites, the right kinds in the right niches. I refuse to start unprepared.
| 3:17 pm on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am one of those who have just 'seen the light' with what affiliate marketing is capable of, but there is no way I can quit my day job and do this full time.
My plans are to first get me out of debt (which could take a while) then earn enough to pay for a mortgage, all the while keeping my day job. After that, who knows.
For those that have very few commitments, making the jump to full time AM is a slightly easier one, but for us that need a guarunteed income, a full time job has to stay.
I've only recently got going, and am only on the £20 (very recently got going) a month so far, but I have also been building sites with a view to launch in January (as well as having a full time job) so hopefully that £20 a day is only a couple of months away. This thread has been very useful though, even though it looks like lots of you can make that commitment to full time AM.
Anyway, good luck to us all in 2005 and may your ROI give you a nice warm feeling :)
| 4:54 pm on Dec 30, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have been doing AM for a couple of years. When I started out I was stuck at about $25/day for over a year. It wasn't until I applied myself and learned some basic SEO that my earning jumped. I now see my earnings as unlimited. The more time (and $) I put into it, the more I earn.
I earn enough to buy whatever I want, and travel when I want. believe it or not, I have not quit my job yet. I started with a plan and am sticking to it. A few more weeks and I will be done. It is not a matter of 'taking the plunge' and quitting for me. I had a plan and stuck to it. My plan involved putting in as many hours as need working on my website.
I just wanted you to know that what you hope is possible, is possible.
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