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Fastest Way to $100-200+ a Day?
Fastest & Cheapest way to just get off the ground?
AW_Learner




msg:550301
 12:55 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

While I have strong ambitions to make a lot of money online and so have been spending the last few weeks mostly gathering information and resources trying to learn how best to go about it and what is the most valuable aspects and ideas for spending time and money on. That is all great because I am thinking long term and am going carefully because I don't have investment money to experiment with things.

I need to start just getting some money in so I can pay my expensive rent each month without constantly worrying about if I am going to make enough for rent the next month or have to move. And hopefully start getting enough to re-invest back into marketing and building.

Well I have been reading excellent advice on here about what the most profitable niches and ways of marketing are and what things are not worth it because they don't have the same full potential as the others.

Although the most profitable niches sound like they cost the most to get started with and perhaps take more time. People here talking about investing thousands of dollars into them to get them going. I'm not afraid of risks. I just don't have money to invest like that. At least not yet.

So, I don't care about which ways are not long-term the highest potential and don't have the potential to ever make more then a measly 1-2 hundred dollars a day. Because if there is something like that that doesn't have long-term potential or high earning potential but has the benefits of being fast and cheap in making at a min. $100 a day I am interested. So I can know that my rent will be covered and have some extra for investing in the more profitible ventures.

I'm very new to all of this. But if anyone knows what kind of thing could produce that type of profit right away please share.

I guess if something is producing a return on investment then it doesn't really matter what the investment costs because you are getting it back. The problem is that I can't afford the delay in that. If I spend $2 a click at Google promoting something and it makes me a profit back I am still paying Google hundreds of dollars straight from my bank account way before I receive a check from the Affiliate program to cover those costs. Which is sometimes an entire month after the billing cycle that they even begin mailing them out. So something that paid quickly (like to Paypal) would be perferable.

I have been doing some of my own artistic service/product sites as well but they have not been doing all that well. Very sporadic sales. I need something consistant. I tried ebay too which I am completely sick of. I'll get buyers for my art the first time I put anything new up but as soon as I relist anything that has already sold- zero buyers. It's almost like it is only the same people looking at the art stuff and not a steady stream of new buyers.

Anyways. If there is not any answers to this or ideas I understand. It's kind of a stupid question. But maybe others here are interested in this topic too? The new people that don't have a lot of cash. I wish I had gotten into this stuff when I had plenty of cash and plenty of time, instead of wasting both of those things for years...

Thanks!

 

photonstudios




msg:550391
 10:35 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have heard it can take up to 2 months sometimes to get indexed in Google but I don't know what the shortest amount of time it has taken sometimes.

Sorry I just noticed that..Actually it can take You up to a year to get spidered by google.

AW_Learner




msg:550392
 11:57 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

A lot more to SEO? The REAL SEO is link popularity, many webmasters underestimate the real power of inbound links.

Yes it helps but I would think there would be more then that. The quality of links for one thing over the quantity. Doesn't having low PR valued sites link you to hurt your own PR? If it was only link spamming I would think that there would be so many sites that do have tons of incomming links and are also targeted towards certain key phrases. Yet there are still only 10 top positions, so the Search Engine tech. would need to narrow it down even more to determine who's the most relevent to them.

I still don't understand all of the link value stuff though. Like what makes Google count a certain link but not count other links that MSN and others do count? When I search for a sites link pop. each place counts there links vastly different from each other. Google seems to count internal links within a site to it's other pages (well sometimes).
I don't understand what makes that so or not with them...

"If all I'm doing is building link pop" OMG and what are YOU doing to optimize your site for a competitive keyword? I bet you're stuffing your site with h1, h2, h3, anchor text, meta tags, bold, italic, hmmm did I forget something else? Ooops! my site is still nowhere to be found, what did I do wrong? - add few more h1 tags :)

No I'm not optimizing my sites yet. Since it takes a while it is taking a back seat to my immediate need for traffic so I'm focusing all my time on buying traffic for now. Rather then free traffic. PPC, Ads etc.

When I do go back and focus on Optimizing I know that link pop with high PR sites that are related to the same target will be key. But I thought that there was more then that. I planned on researching it a lot more once I start foccusing on that. So I know what I need to do.

Sorry I just noticed that..Actually it can take You up to a year to get spidered by google.

Really? Is that just random? I thought they spider a lot on there own schedule? My last site I submitted to them got spidered and indexed in less then 2 weeks!

fidibidabah




msg:550393
 12:20 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

You guys can't be kidding? The last site I put up took under a month to be spidered.

Want to get it quicker? Buy a link from a PR6 site and you'll be crawled in a day.

GuitarZan




msg:550394
 12:28 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

You guys can't be kidding? The last site I put up took under a month to be spidered.
Want to get it quicker? Buy a link from a PR6 site and you'll be crawled in a day.

You would want the site you buy a link from to be related, right?

Thanks,

C.K.

conroy




msg:550395
 2:24 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

AW_Learner -

Yes it helps but I would think there would be more then that.

There really isn't.

Doesn't having low PR valued sites link you to hurt your own PR?

NO!

I still don't understand all of the link value stuff though. Like what makes Google count a certain link but not count other links that MSN and others do count?

Google only shows links that have a PR of 4 or greater. Occasionally you'll see an example of a site with less PR than this showing.

Google seems to count internal links within a site to it's other pages (well sometimes).

Yes.

But I thought that there was more then that.

To get high in rankings, no, nothing else is required. On site optimization can help, especially for internal pages. That doesn't mean that is all you have to do. Your site must convert.

Also, yes a PR6+ link will get you spidered easily within a day or two. I don't know where that comment about it taking a year comes from. Yes it could take a year if you don't get a link to your site, otherwise no, all you need is links.

GuitarZan - for the purposes of spidering it does not matter what topic area the link is from. All that matters is PR.

GuitarZan




msg:550396
 3:25 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

GuitarZan - for the purposes of spidering it does not matter what topic area the link is from. All that matters is PR.

So basically you set up the link until your site is spidered, and then you take it down?

Thanks,

C.K.

AW_Learner




msg:550397
 3:27 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks Conroy. That answers some of those pressing questions I was curious about. BTW, I didn't have any links to my site when it got spidered in 2 weeks from submission. I still come up with 0 link pop. but Google has 82 of my pages indexed.

Does the PR value of the site linking to you also have to be a site without too many external links on it to all kinds of sites? Or does Google take into account how big the site is to give the link any value or not? Because I do have quite a few links to different pages on my site and the front of my site from Ebay. I think they have a PR7 or 9 or something. Yet the links are not counted. I have a couple links from other sites that do have a PR over 4 and they are not counted either...

mfishy




msg:550398
 3:39 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Out of over 100 sites in the past few months I have yet to see ONE that was not spidered within 48 hours and includ4ed in the index. As far as SCORING goes, that can take some time. More now than a few months back...

photonstudios




msg:550399
 4:14 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

48 hours indeed, all you need is any pr 6 link. I was just kidding about 1 year :)

conroy




msg:550400
 4:50 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

So basically you set up the link until your site is spidered, and then you take it down?

Not if I don't have to - I try not to take down PR6 links :) Although if the link is costing you money every month and you now have a network of sites linking to you, and the only use you had for the link was to spider your site, then sure stop paying for it.

Does the PR value of the site linking to you also have to be a site without too many external links on it to all kinds of sites?

The less external links on a page, the more PR you will theoretically receive. However, if you get a link from a PR8 page that passes PR, it has the power to make hundreds of sites into PR7s. The less outbound links on a page the better it is for you - just remember that. Don't turn down links just because there are lots of links on the page.

Or does Google take into account how big the site is to give the link any value or not?

No.

Because I do have quite a few links to different pages on my site and the front of my site from Ebay. I think they have a PR7 or 9 or something.

Ebay links to you? Nice!

Seriously, ebay doesn't pass PR to any external site. Where is your link? In an auction? That doesn't count for anything.

Yet the links are not counted.

See above.

I have a couple links from other sites that do have a PR over 4 and they are not counted either...

Me too. I've got hundreds of PR4+ links that don't show up. Google doesn't show all links to your site.

<rant (not directed at anyone)>

So many people get so obsessed with their backlinks and PR showing up - it is crazy. Google takes these things into account in the background. They are calculated in LONG before any visual display. People should be more concerned about their SERPs than if their backlinks went up, down, or sideways in the latest update. It just doesn't mean anything. If your SERPs go up, then you are doing better, if they go down, then you need to increase your work. If everyone spent half the time they did worrying about the little green bar and what a link: command says on building their site's content or links, they would be 10x better off.

</rant>

eyeinthesky




msg:550401
 5:21 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

People should be more concerned about their SERPs than if their backlinks went up, down, or sideways in the latest update.

.... and more importantly, more concerned about converting those traffic from the SERPs :)

conroy




msg:550402
 6:07 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

.... and more importantly, more concerned about converting those traffic from the SERPs

Yes of course ;) But that doesn't tell you how your SEO efforts are doing. You might be missing out on huge amounts of traffic even though you are converting at 50% for "buy cheap green round widgets online with credit card NOW" ;)

AW_Learner




msg:550403
 8:46 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ebay links to you? Nice!

Seriously, ebay doesn't pass PR to any external site. Where is your link? In an auction? That doesn't count for anything.

It's in the about me page. Why not? What about it makes it not count to Google do you know? Other form sites seem to count sometimes. Directories, Ads, forums etc. Google is just going off some set mathmatical system. I'm slow at getting this I guess.

danieljean




msg:550404
 1:26 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's in the about me page. Why not? What about it makes it not count to Google do you know?

Ebay.com is PR8, I just checked the first product page I could click, and it's PR0, as is the page about the merchant. PR0 won't do you any good.

On a related note, how much would people charge -ballpark, I know it will vary based on topic- for a PR6 or 7 link? And if anyone will sell/rent, will you sticky me? :)

jomaxx




msg:550405
 1:53 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, the point is that the PR passed by a link is based on the PR of that particular page, not on the PR of the site's homepage.

Swash




msg:550406
 2:14 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Aside from the realistic motivated few who are planning cash flow, there are plenty more who could be doing this stuff are not because the time between effort and stimulation longer than a few minutes. :-)

This is so true. This is the reason many online ventures, especially one man bands, are still profitable.

Once you're making good money, don't go blabbing to your tech savvy friends about how you did it and how easy it is. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS

GuitarZan




msg:550407
 2:58 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Once you're making good money, don't go blabbing to your tech savvy friends about how you did it and how easy it is. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS

True, but I still tell some people that I am an Aff Marketer... I don't do this full time, but am getting into it heavily. Most people ARE too lazy to even look anything up about Aff Marketing. Seriously... the people that actually make it at this stuff are like 1 in 500 type people. Maybe even more.

It's just like most people know that starting up a business would probably be a good thing, but most are too lazy to undertake it.

"The price of discipline weighs and ounce... The price of regret weighs a tonne".

- Not sure

All the Best,

C.K.

AW_Learner




msg:550408
 8:40 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ebay.com is PR8, I just checked the first product page I could click, and it's PR0, as is the page about the merchant. PR0 won't do you any good.

Thanks! Now that makes total sense. I'm learning so much here. I never even thought to look up the PR of the exact page. I figured that if a site had a PR8 that surely they would be sharing and spreading out some of that PR throughout there site with internal links. Maybe it's just there structure, or maybe they do it on purpose not to share the PR on those pages so that people's external links don't count to dilute them. I can't download the Google Toolbar to check PR's because I'm on a Mac but there was some site I found before that showed you the PR if you typed in the domain page.

I've still yet to understand exactly what determines PR Value besides just links from other high PR sites.

Once you're making good money, don't go blabbing to your tech savvy friends about how you did it and how easy it is. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS

Yes it is so true about loose lips (on things that should be confidential).
But as soon as I do have this all figured out down the road and am making great money (and I'm determined to not stop until I do), the first thing I plan to do is work one on one with each close person in my family to help them get started with there own interest. I love helping people. I don't have any tech savvy friends, and I don't think you have to be tech savvy. Many successful online marketers are not tech savvy.
I don't think I'd show friends, but helping family is like helping yourself. If they actually grasp it and stick to it.

"The price of discipline weighs and ounce... The price of regret weighs a tonne".

So True! Something to remember daily...

dcrombie




msg:550409
 9:53 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"The Journey of a Thousand Miles must Start with a Single Step"
-- Lao-Tzu

I was over-the-moon the first time my AdSense site topped $2 in a day. I put that on the same level as making $500 in a day doing 'actual' work ;)

I'm putting together an e-book at the moment but have NFI what to do with it if/when it's finished. Probably I'll be back here asking for advice...

Labyrinth




msg:550410
 4:50 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

the first thing I plan to do is work one on one with each close person in my family to help them get started with there own interest.

I strongly recommend upping your alcohol intake prior to embarking on this particular endeavor.

GuitarZan




msg:550411
 11:24 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

I strongly recommend upping your alcohol intake prior to embarking on this particular endeavor.

Haha! That is so true. Pretty much all of them won't be willing to do the work, and put in the time. If anyone of my family wants to do what I do... I will clearly state that I won't hand feed them. I can set them in the right path, and give them some help... That is as far as it goes though.

All the Best,

C.K.

rfung




msg:550412
 11:40 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not even as you stay home and work your own schedule compared to their 9-5?...

Some people might be daunted by the idea of working with computers or actually have to motivate oneself instead of being given work at the office.

And there's no warranty that it will pay off.

But if they're talking to a living breathing example of what can be accomplished, I'd think one would jump at the opportunity.

Coincidentally, I got into web programming when a friend of mine told me he was making $200/hr doing consulting jobs..this was back in the dot com days though...I like to believe that most things in life have been done before by someone else, so there shouldn't be any need to re-invent the wheel. If someone volunteers to help out, by all means, TAKE IT!...

...wrong crowd to be preaching to though :)

internetheaven




msg:550413
 4:54 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't know why people are so secretive. What are they afraid of?

Well, for every person that copies what I've created, I lose approximately 10% of my income. Over the past year one particular idea started earning me 40,000 a month, it now brings in 5,000 a month. I have to keep coming up with new ideas to create revenue but every time I do someone else copies it (or just plain steals the entire thing) and then I'm splitting the revenue with them.

There are only 10 spots in the top 10 search engine results for any given keyword, market or product - you can't pack 10,000 affiliate marketers into the top 10 can you? So pardon me if I don't want someone else taking food out my mouth .... and why the hell should I explain something that took me two years to build and you sit there for 5 minutes and copy?

AW_Learner




msg:550414
 8:05 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow you sound bitter. Just relax. I already stated that I was only looking for general advice as a complete newbie and not knowing what to focus on. The conversation has already changed completely from that. Don't bring back the neg. No one is ever forced to share anymore then they want to share.

As far as family goes, I was thinking more of a partnership with them. That way my efforts are not for free but for a split of the profits. At least until they take it 100% on there own without my help.

Michael Anthony




msg:550415
 8:50 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Interesting - when I posted on here recently about how easy it was to set up a lead creation program most people were very keen to learn about the technique.

What was most telling though was a sticky mail from someone who obviously does this, asking me to stop it as I would spoil "our" market.

I replied to him as I would to anyone making the same comment - read Steven Covey on the abundance/scarcity mentality. There's always plenty to go around - if you're stupid enough to think that someone's not going to come along and copy a successful money making idea eventually then you deserve to suffer. The only place that this never happens is on a desert island where you're the only inhabitant.

The golden rule with aff marketing is diversification - I try to always have at least 10 very different industries making me money, that way if one or two of them suffer a downturn my income's not destroyed overnight.

Take my advice - if you're doing really well from one or two "undiscovered" niches today, work very hard on finding at least 5 others. Then when your 40k per month niche gets reduced to 5k, it won't matter because the other stuff's still working just fine and you're still pulling 5 x 40k per month!

Or, put another way, prevention's always better than cure.

JMusic




msg:550416
 10:21 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> if you're stupid enough to think that someone's not going to come along and copy a successful money making idea eventually then you deserve to suffer

Of course they will. But it's pretty stupid to actually EXPADITE that process, don't you think?

rfung




msg:550417
 10:35 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Of course they will. But it's pretty stupid to actually EXPADITE that process, don't you think?

in that case why are we all in this forum?...

SlyOldDog




msg:550418
 11:15 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

How to make 100$ a day from the internet:

Do link swaps and get 10 links a day for any client dumb enough to pay $10 a link.

There are plenty of them.

Labyrinth




msg:550419
 11:32 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

But it's pretty stupid to actually EXPADITE that process, don't you think?

Spelling differences aside, I agree 100%

Mentoring is a noble aspiration, but being a mentor doesn't mean you give away the secret sauce recipe... much better for the newbies to develop their own sauce.

And likely more profitable, in the long term, for the newbie AND the mentor.

Labyrinth




msg:550420
 11:37 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

That way my efforts are not for free but for a split of the profits.

uh, yeah.

My advice stands.

GuitarZan




msg:550421
 1:40 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Michael Anthony is completely right, IMHO. It is just like a few people around here saying how they never tell anyone that they are an Aff Marketer. They don't realize that we are but a few people out of the population. This meaning that not everyone wants to do this, those that do probably won't... So it doesn't hurt you to tell some people that you are an Aff Marketer... When it comes down to it, a lot of people are lazy, and wouldn't think about starting a business. TOO MUCH WORK :-]

Enough of the rant. Diversification is the key.

C.K.

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