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Fastest Way to $100-200+ a Day?
Fastest & Cheapest way to just get off the ground?
AW_Learner




msg:550301
 12:55 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

While I have strong ambitions to make a lot of money online and so have been spending the last few weeks mostly gathering information and resources trying to learn how best to go about it and what is the most valuable aspects and ideas for spending time and money on. That is all great because I am thinking long term and am going carefully because I don't have investment money to experiment with things.

I need to start just getting some money in so I can pay my expensive rent each month without constantly worrying about if I am going to make enough for rent the next month or have to move. And hopefully start getting enough to re-invest back into marketing and building.

Well I have been reading excellent advice on here about what the most profitable niches and ways of marketing are and what things are not worth it because they don't have the same full potential as the others.

Although the most profitable niches sound like they cost the most to get started with and perhaps take more time. People here talking about investing thousands of dollars into them to get them going. I'm not afraid of risks. I just don't have money to invest like that. At least not yet.

So, I don't care about which ways are not long-term the highest potential and don't have the potential to ever make more then a measly 1-2 hundred dollars a day. Because if there is something like that that doesn't have long-term potential or high earning potential but has the benefits of being fast and cheap in making at a min. $100 a day I am interested. So I can know that my rent will be covered and have some extra for investing in the more profitible ventures.

I'm very new to all of this. But if anyone knows what kind of thing could produce that type of profit right away please share.

I guess if something is producing a return on investment then it doesn't really matter what the investment costs because you are getting it back. The problem is that I can't afford the delay in that. If I spend $2 a click at Google promoting something and it makes me a profit back I am still paying Google hundreds of dollars straight from my bank account way before I receive a check from the Affiliate program to cover those costs. Which is sometimes an entire month after the billing cycle that they even begin mailing them out. So something that paid quickly (like to Paypal) would be perferable.

I have been doing some of my own artistic service/product sites as well but they have not been doing all that well. Very sporadic sales. I need something consistant. I tried ebay too which I am completely sick of. I'll get buyers for my art the first time I put anything new up but as soon as I relist anything that has already sold- zero buyers. It's almost like it is only the same people looking at the art stuff and not a steady stream of new buyers.

Anyways. If there is not any answers to this or ideas I understand. It's kind of a stupid question. But maybe others here are interested in this topic too? The new people that don't have a lot of cash. I wish I had gotten into this stuff when I had plenty of cash and plenty of time, instead of wasting both of those things for years...

Thanks!

 

ds98127




msg:550361
 10:51 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

My Take : If yu don't know what is happening, yu r on the wrong side :-)

Ok I will tell yu the secret :-)
(find out what yu can sell...get it made in india and that is it :-) )
The secret lies in developing products, softwares and their ilk and selling them online and offline.
The whole damn issue is : Whether $ 100 a day is worth yur time ...the crucial thing is yur bandwidth that is consumed.
I have a guy sitting 5 km from my office in india , working in a dark dingy building which yu will forgiven to overlook. He started 2 years ago and now his office expenses per month are 100,000 USD ... what does he sell..ring tones ..just a casual, single guy...using his knowledge to do what he does best and doing such a simple thing :-) ...
Don't try to put yur fingers into every pie... just figure out YOUR pie and realize yur strengths and the crucial thing is innovation...and forget about rents ... forget the side income ...if it does not deserve yu or yu have no clue ...don't get into it.

cheers
Niko

[edited by: eljefe3 at 3:56 pm (utc) on June 7, 2004]

aleksl




msg:550362
 12:58 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

:) very enlightening topic

AW, there are 2 types of people out there, obviously, one group thinks $100/day is a lot, and another looks at it as a simple milestone to a greater things.

Just as there are people who will never fly because they either think that flying is dangerous or that in order to fly you need to crawl best first (no personal offense intended).

I am myself at the half of this goal - it took me 6 months learning and 3 months doing, while I was working full time at a very time consuming and brain wrenching job. So feel free to ignore my mumbling here :)

Here's what I think it takes to get there:
a) persistence
b) strong analytical skills
c) above average understanding how websites and Search Engines work and why it is so
d) money or time - sometimes you can buy time with money.

You would have to look at the internet differently from 99.9% of all people who look but don't see. Your $90K experience will help you A LOT in that.

* Don't build content site, as it is not the fastest and cheapest way, although potentially very profitable.

* Diversify.

AW_Learner




msg:550363
 7:25 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks again. Interesting about the development idea. Sort of a long-term goal though. Which is o.k. We need long term goals to get us through the short-term frustrations.

As Donald Trump says "If you're going to be thinking anyways, you might as well think big."

rfung




msg:550364
 7:46 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

a side note about thinking big... I have a friend who is very talented and very smart, and is always thinking big. The problem is that she never thinks of what we call 'steps 1 through 20', i.e. the small stuff. If she had $20k, she could get that money and make it double or triple in a short period of time. But the problem is to get there at that level in the first place.

AW_Learner




msg:550365
 8:05 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

But the problem is to get there at that level in the first place.

I don't understand. If she can triple her money quickly how is she doing that without thinking of steps 1-20. Doesn't she have to go through those steps in the process?

I can confirm that the problem with some big thinkers (uh, husband) is that they can sometimes be very unrealistic and definitely miss the details and practicality of there lofty grand ideas. And since it comes so easy to them they are busy thinking of 20 of these huge things at once, thinking that they can do all of them and change their huge ideas often at the great exhaustion and growing resentment of close people around them.

There is a lot to be said about steady, slow, consistent and narrow focus.

rfung




msg:550366
 8:26 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess I may have not explained it well. What I meant goes along the same lines you initially expressed concerns over the big money maker opportunities - she needs the initial capital to make things start( and how to obtain that is steps 1-20 which she can't be bothered with), at which point she can double or triple that money. But, we digress :)

AW_Learner




msg:550367
 10:23 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

ah, o.k. I see now. Same problem I am having. There are so many things and opportunities I see that would work and I want to just jump into now that I could do easily. If only I had the capital...

It is the first stumbling block to leverage.

defanjos




msg:550368
 10:38 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Like they say, the first million is the toughest :)

universetoday




msg:550369
 7:52 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can pick your own niche, marketing style, and products and I'm sure you'll be successful.

The people in this forum have been at it for years, and we all pretty much believe the same thing. It's possible to earn a good living through Internet affiliate commissions, it's just super hard and very time consuming. Very few of us have ever seen the payout come quickly or easily. The difficulty comes when you try something and it turns out to be a mistake, so you have to try something different.

The best advice that you should take from all of this is that you need to be disciplined and scientific in your approach. Give yourself a goal of earning $1 a day from your Internet sites and then work your tail off to turn that into $2 a day, etc etc. After a little while, you'll really feel the momentum of what you're doing and the path to your riches will clarify in your mind - then it's just mountains of work, but it's all doable.

My only concern is that you're looking to do this as your primary form of revenue. Affiliate work like this is best when you do it on the side, plugging away at with time on your side. Eventually the money you're earning from your Internet businesses match your regular income, and you're in a stable position to kick off and just keep growing. Without another regular form of income, it can be a little overwhelming.

You're very well-written and eloquent, so I'm sure you'll be successful at this, it's just a matter of timing. It always take longer than you hope, and it sounds like you have some serious money issues right now.

Michael Anthony




msg:550370
 8:25 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

"It's possible to earn a good living through Internet affiliate commissions, it's just super hard and very time consuming"

Wrong.

"Set a goal of $1 per day"

This is a goal for a person that can't deal with missed goals.

It always strikes me as ridiculous that the people on here offering such silly advice are taken seriously, and that they take themselves so seriously.

Sure, with no money to start you're at a disadvantage. You can't use PPC to test a program, so there's no choice but to go the SEO route which invariably entails a long wait for traffic to build. Even when this traffic does come, you've no guarantees that it will make you money.

I'd recommend getting some credit cards and being brave with some PPC direct to merchants or collecting leads - either that or facing a long and uncertain financial futuure whilst you keep your fingers crossed. From your original posts, it doesn't look like you're the patient sort.

Can't believe that from $90k/month you don't have access to some reasonable lines of credit though?

gopi




msg:550371
 12:29 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>It always strikes me as ridiculous that the people on here offering such silly advice are taken seriously, and that they take themselves so seriously

LOL

GuitarZan




msg:550372
 1:23 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Michael Anthony said:

"It always strikes me as ridiculous that the people on here offering such silly advice are taken seriously, and that they take themselves so seriously".

I think it should be noted that getting there takes a lot of hours. Michael, you must of spent some time learning this stuff before you were making good money, no? Once you get to that point though, it is easily duplicatable... I think that is what Michael is talking about.

All the Best,

C.K.

Drastic




msg:550373
 5:01 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I find interesting is the people who give advice and think it's the only true advice around, and everyone else is wrong.

Relative to my business and experience, good and bad advice is throughout this thread. To someone else, the specific bits and points may be exactly the opposite.

There is no right or wrong way to success, just the way that works for you. Something that works well for me, might not even make sense to you. If you try to implement it, guess what. It ain't gonna work.

The people who really succeed in doing this work, are the ones who think and innovate on their own. If all you do is look for ways other people are making money, looking for/at their specifics, you are looking at the wrong end of the wave.

AW_Learner




msg:550374
 5:25 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can't believe that from $90k/month you don't have access to some reasonable lines of credit though?

No, always paid for everything in cash upfront. Never applied for anything. At that point I didn't feel like I needed credit. I'm not the responsible type that does well with credit so it bothers me. The last time I got a loan for anything I needed it was a 2yr. loan and I paid it off in full within 2 months. In my mind the faster I could get rid of the debt the better. Cars, everything else always pure cash.

But yeah loans might be useful to me now. I just have to make sure that I don't borrow anything that I don't have assets worth enough to pay back as security. Since in investing you never know if you'll loose money at first in learning. Like you said you lost like what 8,000 GBP or something the first 6 months before making it back.

Does anyone know what good places there are to get an unsecured credit card with very little and not so great credit? How long does it take to get them? Is it ultra expensive 2-3x as much if you don't have great credit?

The advice of a $1 a day. Well I have been doing low priced auctions with ebay. Selling things for only a $5 profit that require printing and shipping and other resources and it is not consistant or just build up.
It just dies down. Hit or miss. There are people that will buy things at any price, if it is the right thing and the right people. I'm tired of chasing pennies with this slot machine like hit or miss thing. If it is going to be hit or miss anyways no matter what I'd rather the payout be MUCH higher when it hits! Then I can deal with the misses easier.

rfung




msg:550375
 5:32 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

hey drastic:

if I try what you're doing and it aint gonna work, can you still let me know exactly what it is that you do? I think I can make it work, even if you think I can't;)

to underscore a point, there is some value to learning from other people's mistakes...and successes. Many ways to skin a cat, but most of those probably involve 1) a cat and 2) a sharp knife. :)

fidibidabah




msg:550376
 5:39 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Drastic brings up a faith strengthening point. Since basically what I'm working on now and have been developing over the last half-year, is pretty much completely against most of the advice given in these threads. I've seen some progress, and I'm confident it will go far. I have nothing against trying every avenue, and I probabaly will. But my ideas first.

chrisgarrett




msg:550377
 5:46 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Without the whole picture you can only get scraps of clues, how you piece them together makes the difference. What one person iterprets as pure gold another sees as useless because of their own filters and frames of reference. I think there are lots of great strategies that have been provided in previous threads but I think even knowing just some of the details does not guarantee success. For example people can even say "affiliate offer **** has made me a fortune". They really have made a fortune out of it, they have told us not only the niche but the actual *product*. What they dont tell you is that, say, the loophole they exploited has been closed, or exactly how they managed to get traffic to the offer, or maybe perhaps how they found keywords that got a great conversion rate while the competition made zero sales, etc.. If I was to follow their lead I wouldnt make any money, just because I can find an offer that should work in the way someone describes and even if I manage to drive traffic to my link does not mean that people will buy in the hordes making me more money than I spend on promoting it.

I have been talking to a great guy who made his money "email marketing", all the people he helped are now his comepetition and he got into the game the same way. I currently make .. well .. *lose* money but I can understand people not wanting to share. He is quite philosophical about it, probably because he knows he will always be one step ahead.

Personally of course I am grateful for any tips but regardless I am going to make something eventually or go bankrupt trying <g> because I need to escape the 9am-8pm daily treadmill I am on and spend more time with family and friends rather than my desk. Despite what anyone says about modest goals that is what *I* want to acheive and I think that *is* being rich for me.

DroffatsX3




msg:550378
 9:11 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know what good places there are to get an unsecured credit card with very little and not so great credit?

Do a search for those terms. You'll find lots of affiliate sites looking to help you out. :-)

Michael Anthony




msg:550379
 6:02 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

ROFL DroffatsX3, just a minute while I build one, then I'll sticky the URL :)

mquarles




msg:550380
 6:09 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like his method better. I already have 9 of the top 10 listings in most related searches ;-) on both Google and Yahoo.

MQ

AW_Learner




msg:550381
 11:05 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

LOL. Yeah nice place to think of asking for a personal recommendation in a room full of affiliates.

I've done the Google searches before on the subject but the majority of things that come up are all scams. Getting people to apply for there credit card that only works on there "shopping mall sites". Then the rest of the stuff usually looks very spammy and unreliable. It's time consuming weeding through all the crap. So just thought someone might have a "personal" recommendation of some reputable companies and banks that will work with bad credit. Not commercial.

I deffinetely have to learn all about SEO very soon. And not just for commercial reasons.

Tigrou




msg:550382
 12:23 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

to underscore a point, there is some value to learning from other people's mistakes...and successes. Many ways to skin a cat, but most of those probably involve 1) a cat and 2) a sharp knife. :)
- rfung

And somehow compliant Animal Rights Groups...

photonstudios




msg:550383
 10:10 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

$100/day (too easy):

1) Pick mid-competitive topic
2) Write some bs content... (20-100 pages)
3) Make product pages
4) Build link pop
5) Watch traffic and sales...

Make 4 sites like this and you're on your way of making $100-$200/day.

guaranteed.

AW_Learner




msg:550384
 7:55 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

$100/day (too easy):

1) Pick mid-competitive topic
2) Write some bs content... (20-100 pages)
3) Make product pages
4) Build link pop
5) Watch traffic and sales...

Make 4 sites like this and you're on your way of making $100-$200/day.

guaranteed.

That's the slower way. You're making it sound too easy though to get top search engine placement. If all you are doing is building up link pop and then waiting for the traffic and sales to come in...
Isn't there a lot more to SEO? What is the fastest that anyone has been able to take a newly built site (if it's there first site) and get it indexed high up in the SERPs for targeted keyword phrases?

And besides traffic what about on site conversion? Anyone can get a lot of traffic (esp. by buying it) but doesn't mean they can convert that traffic into sales or know how to.

I've been getting traffic to my site through PPC the past few days but zero conversions to sales...

I'm now studying and trying to find as much info as I can on conversion optimization. I know a lot of people don't always buy certain types of things on there first or even second visit, but...

mfishy




msg:550385
 8:04 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Let me guess, the next line of questions is going to be as follows:

What is the fastest way to rank #1 on really competetive terms. C'mon! It isn't a secret! Why won't you tell me! :)

AW_Learner




msg:550386
 8:56 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

No I know it's a secret : )

I'm not asking how. Just what the time range possibility is for those who know how. Based on how long it takes for SE Spidering and indexing and other things not in the webmasters direct control. I know I have heard that submission to DMOZ can take up to 6-9 months to get reviewed and approved then listed in there directory. But I have not heard the least amount of time it has taken sometimes. I have heard it can take up to 2 months sometimes to get indexed in Google but I don't know what the shortest amount of time it has taken sometimes.

chrisgarrett




msg:550387
 9:08 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok mfishy, if you want to tell us .. I know you are just bursting to reveal all ;O)

It seems to me there are several "tricks" or "secrets" that need to be learned

1) Finding the killer deal - finding a niche, product, scheme with low enough competition but high enough payout to make it worthwhile
2) How to get traffic - PPC without spending more than you earn or SEO without bankrupting yourself buying PR
3) How to build a page that pays - copywriting and page construction to lift the money from the punters wallett either through a buy now button or high CTR adsense, aff banners

One piece of the puzzle will not $200 a day make ;O)

(answers to any of these on a sticky to chrisgarrett@ImAnAffiliateLoser.broke <g>)

georgiek50




msg:550388
 9:41 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

When you guys mention a "mid-competitive" topic, how many Google results return qualifies this as mid-competitive?

Under 1 million, under 5 million, under 100,000?

photonstudios




msg:550389
 10:24 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

The number of sites that google returns is irrelevant. A competitive keyword is the one that a lot of people trying to optimize for, it is also usually 3,000+ demand at ****. I personally define a mid-competitive keyword in the range of 1,000-2,000 demand at wordtracker, and only few webmasters really know what they're doing at google that are on the first page, that would be mid-competitive for me.

photonstudios




msg:550390
 10:28 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

That's the slower way. You're making it sound too easy though to get top search engine placement. If all you are doing is building up link pop and then waiting for the traffic and sales to come in...
Isn't there a lot more to SEO? What is the fastest that anyone has been able to take a newly built site (if it's there first site) and get it indexed high up in the SERPs for targeted keyword phrases?

LOL, so that's a completely different question. Now you're asking "what is the fastest that anyone has been able to take a newly built site?" You really want that $100-$200 fast don't you? ;)

A lot more to SEO? The REAL SEO is link popularity, many webmasters underestimate the real power of inbound links. "If all I'm doing is building link pop" OMG and what are YOU doing to optimize your site for a competitive keyword? I bet you're stuffing your site with h1, h2, h3, anchor text, meta tags, bold, italic, hmmm did I forget something else? Ooops! my site is still nowhere to be found, what did I do wrong? - add few more h1 tags :)

photonstudios




msg:550391
 10:35 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have heard it can take up to 2 months sometimes to get indexed in Google but I don't know what the shortest amount of time it has taken sometimes.

Sorry I just noticed that..Actually it can take You up to a year to get spidered by google.

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