| 2:13 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I don't have any employees.
But I have five contractors that I regularly outsource work to.
| 2:21 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
We do both aff and in-house 'ad sales'... there are 3 of us with another starting tomorrow. Plus we outsource some programing.
| 4:16 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
lots and lots of sites. 1 partner, a few programmers and 15-20 contract.
We also regularly partner with other affiliates/companies for projects where we can work together. I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is not joining forces with others because they want all the profite themselves. I would rather have half of $10 than 100% of $3 and often partnerships can produce better results with combined resources
| 4:50 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Very Few Offshore contractors - I dont have enough work even for one fulltime employee :) ,surprised to see some affiliates have multiple employees!
| 7:35 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
We run around 40 sites, 2 of us work full time (1 programming, 1 marketing) 1 part time to deal with finances and keep the tax man away :) , oh and 1 very part-time copy writer (freelance).
| 8:00 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I do it by myself, having employees or working with somebody else sounds too much like a job.
| 12:36 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I got 50 domains and I do it all myself. It's much cheaper that way.
| 5:20 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Work full time and do aff solo part time but growing.
| 11:47 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|I got 50 domains and I do it all myself. It's much cheaper that way. |
What does that mean? Would it be cheaper for microsoft to have one employee? Oddest statement I have seen in some time.
| 1:31 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
6 in seo / web work soon to be 8.. but we have clients as well :P
| 8:57 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
many sites...many contractors, 1 partners, 1 hot secretary (this is a must for motivation and distraction), and some offshore alliances.
Contractors are the key to keeping costs down and avoiding labour relation problems.
| 9:06 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> 1 hot secretary
LOL ,that sounds more like a distraction than motivation :)
[edited by: gopi at 11:00 pm (utc) on May 20, 2004]
| 9:06 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"I got 50 domains and I do it all myself. It's much cheaper that way.
What does that mean? Would it be cheaper for microsoft to have one employee? Oddest statement I have seen in some time. "
Why odd? A lot of affiliates have sites that are just a few pages or feed sites, or set it and forget it sites. So if you can handle that on your own, why would you have employee. Not odd at all.
| 9:49 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|why would you have employee |
To build more or better sites and actually make significant revenue? No offense, but this is coming from a guy who boasts about $16k a year with amazon :)
| 10:46 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well some of us are better at this then others, that's just the nature of any business:) Some prefer to do it on their own and can make 16,000 a month, some do it on their own and make millions a year. There's all sorts of ways to do affiliate marketing. But if you can do it on your own and make a nice living, more power to you. If you want to work with others, and make a nice living that works too. To each his own:)
| 12:49 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|some do it on their own and make millions a year |
err...without any contract help, programmers, web designers, accountants, lawyers or anything at all - not even a partner, I doubt there are folks in the millions (plural) per year.
|having employees or working with somebody else sounds too much like a job. |
I'm on the other end. I can't possibly imagine doing my own web design, content, programming, server admin, accounting, link development, html, ad campaigns, etc. Owning your own business is a job unless it is a system.
A good read is E-Myth (not about the web) by Michael Gerber. He covers six rules on how to shift from working 'in' your business to working 'on' it.
[edited by: mfishy at 1:04 am (utc) on May 21, 2004]
| 1:03 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
You wouldn't believe how many million Turkish lira I make every day... >;->
Seriously though, mfishy said he'd rather have a partner and make 50% of $10 than 100% of $3.
I'd rather not. I rather make just the $3 and forfeit the other $2 in favour of learning a new skill myself. Or improving a less practiced one.
And I like being able to do whatever I like with my time without having to justify it to a partner.
I'm going back to school in September to do an MA - how would I go about explaining that to a partner if they didn't get it? They wouldn't be able to change my mind, so it would just end up being more stress for both of us.
I'd rather earn less and forego the hassle. Freedom is worth more to me than the benefits of partnership.
|Owning your own business is a job |
...except when it's a hobby. >;->
| 1:12 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<<except when it's a hobby>>
dude, if we are talking hobby sites it really is a different discussion :)
Having others do all the work is what gives me the freedom to travel months out of the year, work 3-5 hours per day when I don't golf and buy fun toys. I don't have nay desire to do the work of a near minimum wage employee when opthers will do so for me.
I decided a couple months ago to spend some time tryig to post a bit in this forum. I figured there was so much BS here and I could help a few newbies make some cash without having to be glued to a computer for 20 hourse per day. Turns out that most really don't have any desire to learn at all. Oh well, hope you all have great success. peace
| 1:55 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It really depends on who you are and how big your operation is. I can see the positives of doing everything on your own, but then you're swamped with programming, design, promotion etc. If you're planning on expanding beyond one/two sites it can get quite difficult unless, like mfishy said, you have a good system. That is key. If you are organized and have everything streamlined into a smooth operation then operating dozens of sites by yourself can be no problem at all!
It's a matter of control too. Some of us don't hire out jobs because we need/want to know how everything is done. We don't want to feel like we're not in control.
However, there's something to be said about metting out tasks that someone else can do, thus freeing up your time to do what you do best...building an empire of money-making affiliate sites ;)
| 3:25 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Myself and a few contractors that do the stuff that I don't want to do.
When I started out in affiliate marketing I was doing everything myself and working 12-14 hour days. Now the time put in is MUCH less and the quality of life is extremely good. I spend a lot of time with my family, as well as a bunch of time doing things I want to do, not things I have to do.
| 3:40 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> A good read is E-Myth (not about the web) by Michael Gerber
Another Excellent read is "How to Make Your Business Run Without You " by Susan Carter
| 5:37 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|having employees or working with somebody else sounds too much like a job |
I've got to go with mfishy on this one... why on earth would I want to spend my time doing work that I can pay someone to do at wages that I would NEVER accept?
I simply say "here is the task, do you want it?" They say yes, do the task, provide me with a completed product, and I write them a check.
That's not a job, that's heaven.
| 9:43 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Labyrinth, that's revolting.
You would subject others to that which you would not suffer to be subjected to. Where's the consistency in that?
I was intrigued by mfishy's comments. I too work 3-5 hours a day, travel months out of the year and, whilst I don't play golf, often go out with friends.
I don't think it takes a lot of money to do that - a little, to be sure, but not a lot - it just requires the freedom to do what you want with your own time.
| 10:54 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have three paid employees that LOVE making pages. My twin daughters (14) and my son (11). My son doesn't do much, but he does great when he does them. I'm not sure which they like more, making pages or taking dads money.
| 11:28 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Wellzy...I hope you take your kids out for a nice big dinner come tax time ;)
| 12:40 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Labyrinth is merely describing the basis for all employment.
| 1:17 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
An earlier post mentioned link development - important for google traffic - but who would want to link to an affiliate site. Are we talking about paid for links, which can be expensive, and maybe get banned from G.
| 2:00 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
mfishy, like you, I decided to post here to help some newbies, in fact three of them are now enrolled in my "distance aff marketing by email" course that I accidentally started. (By the way, I won't welcome too many new applicants).
However, unlike you, I accept that my way may work for me, but it needn't be the only solution to the problem.
I have no staff, as you know from my previous posts. I work less than an hour a day and make a very good living.
However, I also accept that staff can multiply one's productivity, and if you're happier that way, good for you. My own experience of staff came from running a team of over 40 in my travel business (now closed) and I have to say that I'd agree with a friend's comment on them "Staff are the best and worst thing in any business". Amen to that!
| 2:05 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|You would subject others to that which you would not suffer to be subjected to. |
Yes. And I'm sure you'll equally as horrified to learn that I pay people to pump my sump, sizzle my quarter pounder, arrange a bouquet of flowers, pull my cracked tooth, clean my house, and suss out my payments to the IRS.
I am a wicked, wicked woman.
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