| 12:40 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You can opt out if you choose to be a "Search Marketer" and get URLS in a form that can be used for Adwords and Overture
| 3:10 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
| 3:18 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Official webpage from CJ - but as Trust mentioned, you have to be logged in to view it (agreed that is dumb).
| 3:20 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
What's the reasoning behind it? Doesn't seem to benefit anyone except CJ.
| 3:35 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
This will pretty much close the door on our working with CJ. We have most of our affiliate links in a database for easy management. We're not going to re-code hundreds of pages just for them.
| 4:18 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
how will this work? Does anyone know? I don't use straight links I put them on a db.
Oh great, it just hit me: now all .js files will be hosted on CJ servers, meaning LOOOONG page loads and search engines will no longer see any text you might've linked. CJ connection slow? So is your site.
Why are they messing with something that works? How stupid can they be?
[edited by: walkman at 4:40 pm (utc) on May 24, 2006]
| 4:23 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I have a feeling this is going to screw up a lot of things. I am happy with the way my stuff is working now. I don't want to go back and make a bunch of changes to my sites.
| 4:47 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
This sucks...there are many old sites i forgot and dont even maintain, this would be really time consuming if i have to manually search and modify.
If i understand this correctly the old (legacy) links work for few months?
| 5:29 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I have been hand adding text links which I customise to each page. Very long-winded, it will be infuriating if these cease to work.
I expect I shall have to dump CJ
Just as they are starting to work nicely as well
| 5:32 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Along with the JS crap, the whole keyword ordeal is just as bad. My understanding is that the merchant will have to provide you with any keyword links so that you can market their products via SEs. That, in and of itself, is enough to drive me out.
I highly doubt that any merchant is going to spend that kind of time developing hundreds/thousands of keyword links for affiliates to use.
| 5:32 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|If i understand this correctly the old (legacy) links work for few months? |
I don't think they have said how long they will work. If they are smart, they will let those work forever and just do js going forward.
Well, no, if they were smart, they would have just not done this.
| 5:33 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
They didn't give an exact date, but they did say it'll only work for a short time after the new system is in place. In other words - it's change or lose out.
| 5:58 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
| 6:02 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
so far I don't see any upside to the publisher or advertiser for that matter.
I agree if CJ pushes this as mandatory and requires publishers to change all their links they will be losing HUGE amounts of publishers.
I for one will certainly be pulling the plug and I've been with CJ for about 7 years now and have always generated a sizeable income from them.
| 6:08 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|I have a feeling this is going to screw up a lot of things. |
They already screwed up things last year when they did their "upgrade". I hate the new system. Things worked just fine before and they had to go screw with everything. Conversions are down, and reporting is always delayed. It is just horrible now. So much money wasted to pay those buffoons.
[edited by: crobb305 at 6:11 pm (utc) on May 24, 2006]
| 6:10 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Really simple reasoning... domains are extremely easy to block with ad blockers.....
| 6:16 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I generally try to not to comment on things that haven't been released yet, but I just read the CJ FAQ and I'm having a hard time seeing any upside to this.
The "benefits" section is absurdly, yet appropriately, short:
- They can still be modified in all the ways important to you, including modifying destination URL, appending with SID, encrypting, changing destination URL and designating hyperlink location in text links.
- They are very common and can easily be incorporated into any Web site.
- They eliminate the limitations of affiliate links in the legacy format – specifically search engine ranking degradation.
- Support of multimedia – they will call any future link type, such as video.
We have improved the Keyword link area in the CJ Account Manager – it is now more user friendly and suitable to your needs.
| 6:30 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
| 6:38 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
a really, really, dumb thing to do. Until now, when having a choice between Linkshare, Performics, Shareasale or CJ I chose CJ. I bet many did the same because their system was easier to use. The opposite will happen from now on. Even the sleaziest company will be better than CJ. Multiply that by hundreds of advertisers and CJ is screwed.
I think some brand-conscious companies have demanded this so they can control the ads etc. Why not let the merchants choose the format instead of ruining it for everyone? Apparently the system can support both types of links. If a company doesn't want anyone to mess around with the approved text copy, let them choose js only link.
On edit: just exchaged emails with 2 very popular CJ merchants, and they were NOT told, or asked about this. Apparently the CJ assertion that is as a result of feedback from both sides, is one big fat lie.
| 6:49 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Good bye cj
| 6:50 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|I think some brand-conscious companies have demanded this so they can control the ads etc. |
Agreed. I would guess that this has a lot to do with compliance issues - specifically with text links.
| 7:31 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Up to this point Cj had been great, they have the best (that I've seen) network and network interface on the market. This is or at least appears to be a terrible move. The engines don't devalue sites because they have affiliate links and having them on the page an visible can actually help increase rankings.
It sounds like for PPC search links the merchant will give you a link to the homepage and that's what you get to work with. Does anyone who does serious PPC link to the homepage? Mabye a few but probably not to many. If a merchant supplies keywords for direct linking they are immediately rendered useless.
This change is likely to seriously hurt your search engine rankings by removing link text, especially if you are using feeds.
Then, if you create pages that integrate links into the copy and you have CJ or the advertiser changing them, your copy may end up looking really stupid. On top of that, every affiliate of a particular advertiser is going to have the exact same links on their pages.
The only thing it seems like it might help is big brand avertisers who don't really want an affiliate program, just a lot of free branding ads that can't be modified.
| 7:35 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
There is always tradedoubler as the best alternative.
| 7:37 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I don't say I was not happy with CJ 3 years now but that is too much I don't have a DB so I have to update thousands of pages that is too much I'll do nothing.
| 7:42 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Heh, it is also being touted as "Phase 1", so who knows what other stuff will come with the next phases.
| 8:24 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
So, any bets on how long before they rollout "Classic CJ" after finally listening to all the complaints? :)
| 9:26 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
My goodness! It's not the end of the world. If you're too lazy to update your links or not smart enough to invest your profits in a database system then maybe you don't deserve the income those links generated in the first place.
This should be a lesson to those who depend solely on a particular internet program for all their revenue. Just as in life, nothing lasts forever on the internet. Not CJ and not even AdSense as hard is that is to believe. Good luck to all.
| 9:32 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|My goodness! It's not the end of the world. If you're too lazy to update your links or not smart enough to invest your profits in a database system then maybe you don't deserve the income those links generated in the first place. |
Not even close to why this is objectionable
| 9:35 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|If you're too lazy to update your links or not smart enough to invest your profits in a database system then maybe you don't deserve the income those links generated in the first place. |
We're talking a minimum of dozens of person-hours. Person-hours that could be better spent on doing money-generating tasks instead of implementing a hack that was never wanted in the first place.
For us it's somewhat of a non-issue- we long ago diversified into other non-CJ programs. However, we still have several CJ merchants we work with that bring us money. So I guess it's time to talk to them directly about bypassing the CJ system.
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