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i jsut don't understand how it's done
dpakman91




msg:538599
 3:03 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

well, my story is that i've been involved in content websites for a couple of years, and while i've had CJ affiliate links on all sites, the income is dismal.

i read here about the various people that make hundreds per day, even $50 per day, but for years i just haven't figured out how it's done.

can someone redirect me in the right direction? what would be an example of an "affiliate marketing" site? are people making money more from bidding on adwords and putting in affiliate links? etc...

kind of lost, and this seems like the place to ask...

 

Hiccup




msg:538600
 5:33 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you want to earn real money, you have to invest a bit to do so. The only route I have found that works consistently and profitably without waiting 3 years, is ppc.

If I could give a $20 bill for every $10 bill you give me, you'd be giving a lot of $10 bills wouldn't you?

That's what ppc is all about.

Content sites are nice hobbies, but you will not make near as much $ doing them versus ppc.

dpakman91




msg:538601
 11:51 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Fair enough Hiccup, I appreciate the response. Of course there are TONS of the spammy type sites that claim they will teach you how to make money from the PPC affiliate marketing, but most end up being mirages, with series of newsletter signups and jumping through hoops required.

What is the best way to learn about the right way to do PPC affiliate marketing?

hobbnet




msg:538602
 1:55 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

If I could give a $20 bill for every $10 bill you give me, you'd be giving a lot of $10 bills wouldn't you?

That's what ppc is all about.

That sums it up really well. Find offers where you can send $x.xx (say $100) in traffic and get back that initial investment of $100 plus $x from the affiliate commissions and you are well on your way.

The best way to do this is to find keyword terms relevant to your offer that you can still get high placement in the SEs for a low cost.

Basically you have to test various combinations of keywords, ad copy and offers until you find the right mix.

Hiccup




msg:538603
 2:12 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

The best way to learn how to do ppc right is read the adwords and overture forums on this site. Don't waste your money on ebooks from shysters who tell you about their get rich quick crap. There is more information in the forums on this site then any crap ass ebook could ever offer. PLUS if you have any questions, there are people here who are willing to help.

After you have read both forums completely, open up an account and experiment. Find a good product and try to sell it.

One word of advice, do not risk more then you are willing to lose at any given moment. Another word of advice, you HAVE to spend money to make money.

antoine




msg:538604
 3:09 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

You earn money not by signing up for an affiliate program for your existing website.

You earn money by designing websites with the sole intention of promoting a specific affiliate program.

For example, if you want to promote car loans, than you design a website for car loans. Someone looks up car loans or auto loans they find your website and click through to the merchant...

Zygoot




msg:538605
 7:46 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Most people with content websites earn most of their money with contextual advertising programs like AdSense, YPN, Chitika, ... If you haven't tried them yet I would give them a go.

Hiccup is also right about the PPC campaigns. But they are a little bit harder and there's a chance you'll loose money.

yanikeke




msg:538606
 9:19 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey Pakman, add your domain e-mail to your profile, i was gonna email you some things for free on how to make money with CJ. but you dont have your DOMAIN e-mail :-(

sbskater10




msg:538607
 9:30 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Haha are you serious? Why would someone be so insistent on getting the email that has their domain name tied to it. hmm...

PipSqueak




msg:538608
 5:01 pm on Dec 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm in the same situation as dpakman91. I've checked out google adwords forum, there seems to be more talk about the features than how to use it to promote affiliate programs. Perhaps you can sticky me with good resources to start off with ppc?

By the way, do you always buy a domain name for each affiliate program/adword landing page? or do you use domain.com/landingpage.html? Does it make any difference?

skibum




msg:538609
 1:05 am on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

What is the best way to learn about the right way to do PPC affiliate marketing?

Test, test and test and be prepared to lose money before you make it. Initially it is like playing the slots in Vegas or AC but if you stick with it you can crank out cash all day every day. It takes some outside of the box thinking to make it profitable. More and more people are trying it and competition from affiliates and merchant increases every day.

yanikeke




msg:538610
 1:54 am on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Skater, duhh because Terms prohibits posting your url. therefore if he has his domain e-mail i can check out his site and tell him about how to implement CJ prog. better..duhh

dpakman91




msg:538611
 11:51 pm on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

my next question then is, how does one find the TYPE of products that are good to use with PPC affiliate marketing?

with so many thousands of products on CJ, for example, from electronics to dating services and everything in between, there has to be something slightly more sophisticated than trial and error to at least determine the general KIND of product that works best?

ronin




msg:538612
 4:26 pm on Dec 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

To my mind, the kind of product that works best for you is the one that you can write about professionally and engagingly enough that people will come to your site to read about that product genre rather than anyone else's site.

Everyone is different and has different fields of expertise.

I've always that marketing in itself is a peripheral skill when it comes to internet marketing. It's useful, well-written content that keeps people coming back and keeps the visitor numbers growing. After that the clicks and sales will rise slowly and steadily.

But then, I'm a journalist by trade and I see the web primarily as a written information medium not as a commercial sales channel, so I guess I would take that view.

marilyn




msg:538613
 9:37 am on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rather than start a new topic, I'll ask a question on the back of the orginal one. I have looked at some affiliate schemes - for example Amazon's own one that allows you to specify actual and individual product information on your web site. Then when the visitor clicks through he is taken directly to to the product on the merchant's website. Most schemes though (like those in CJ) seem to be standard links that can only take you to the merchant's home page.

Is that how it is? If you want to work on the individual product level, are there any schemes other than amazon's that allow you to do it? Or are these individual product schemes only available from those merchants, like Amazon, who have set them up for themselves. Sorry if this question sounds confusing.

Beagle




msg:538614
 8:27 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Marilyn, I have LinkShare ads that point to specific products, but I don't know if all the merchants on LinkShare provide that. Since it seems to be the merchants themselves that have set up the direct links I use, I'd imagine some take the trouble to do it and some don't. I've never worked with CJ.

Besides amazon, I'm in several much smaller independent affiliate programs, and they all provide direct product links.

arran




msg:538615
 1:14 am on Dec 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

The majority of CJ's merchants also provide deep linking.

skibum




msg:538616
 1:28 am on Dec 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

with so many thousands of products on CJ, for example, from electronics to dating services and everything in between, there has to be something slightly more sophisticated than trial and error to at least determine the general KIND of product that works best?

That's how we (almost?) all started out and how most people start out today unless they can get someone to spill the beans. Conference presentations and more so the networking afterward can sometimes lead to some golden nuggets. Most anything from personals to shoes to electronics and anything else you can imagine can be profitable when promoted with the right keywords.

marilyn




msg:538617
 1:08 pm on Dec 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you both for coming back to me. When I signed up with CJ just to see what was there, it was not obvious that some of the merchants had deep linking (now I know the proper term for it). Or maybe the UK CJ does not have many merchants like that, which might be why I could not find it . . .

I am only now starting to build affiliates into my site, and it will certainly be trial and error. But this deep linking seemed intuitively to be better than a general link to a home page.

voices




msg:538618
 2:55 am on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sell what they search for is the key. If they come to your site searching for information it is not likely they will buy something. Unless of course it is information on a product that they searched for. If they come to your site because they searched for a purple polka dotted widget and you have it, good chance you will make a sale.

longen




msg:538619
 3:01 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

You earn money by designing websites with the sole intention of promoting a specific affiliate program.

Doesn't the google sandbox mean that a new product site won't produce SE visitor flow for 12 - 18 months. So do you rely totally on PPC traffic to get potential customers?

voices




msg:538620
 5:48 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are other engines out there besides google and you certainly don't have to develop a different site for each program.

You don't need a ton of traffic, just traffic that is looking for exactly what you have.

gamb




msg:538621
 3:15 pm on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

You earn money by designing websites with the sole intention of promoting a specific affiliate program.

yup. Don't build a site about widgets and put ads on it. Build a site about widgets, review every widget and in big fat letters everywhere around the review say: Click Here to Buy Widget xy32.

I have a site that averages one affiliate click per visitor.

voices




msg:538622
 12:32 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Remember you are promoting products, not a specific affiliate program. You may have several affiliates that sell the same product. It doesn't matter which merchant they buy from.

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