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$55 per day affiliate profits with PPC
Are these numbers sustainable, and can I base future growth on them?
gabby




msg:546573
 8:47 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I promote my affiliate site with PPC ads. I've been slowly adding more keywords and ads to the point where I am now spending $110 per day on PPC. This is yielding $165 per day in commissions, which leaves a profit of $55 per day. Are the numbers sustainable, or are they just an anomaly?

 

Gruntled




msg:546603
 12:01 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

What a shame that we have to wonder whether our brethren are in league with the dark side. But that's just the nature of having an open forum--there will inevitably be spammers in our midst. I for one announce--right here and now--that should I ever find myself in the fortunate and enviable position of having the opportunity to announce my unbridled financial success as a webmaster, I understand completely that:

(1) Such braggadocious (sp?) ramblings will sound "spammy" to some ears; and

(2) Thereby subject me to suspicion as a huckster.

frup




msg:546604
 12:07 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The thing is, there are people who post on these boards who really are huge successes. And not a one of them brag about how much they make. They certainly never post how much they make per day.

Why would someone in that position post information like that? If you are making big money you keep quiet about it.

Gruntled




msg:546605
 12:19 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would agree. What's the cliche? Discretion is the better part of valor?

But I also see a lot of people on here speaking in terms of $/day as a benchmark. For example, if they are having trouble with Google Adsense and their earnings are down, they might talk about how their numbers have fallen off.

But if I ever hit it big, I may tell people--just not how much or exactly how.

Of course, that's a big IF at this point.

hannamyluv




msg:546606
 12:24 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I know a few people who have posted how much they make who were genuinly doing so. I think it is more out of disbelief than anything else. There are a few who do so out of the want to encourage people. Starting out in AM can be tough and a little encouragement goes a long way.

I do have to say, it really helps if you go to the pubcons and meet people face to face. You get a much better feel for whose telling the truth and whose selling something.

I also, just as frequently, run into people here who poo-poo things that are posted simply because they couldn't do it themselves. What works for one person will not for another and you should never completely disregard any advice. Always, always, always the best way to make money as an AM is to listen to what other people say, analyze all the aspects of that advice and come up with a creative approach that is all your own.

In the AM world, if someone is ready to sell it to you, then the money from it is already gone.

gamb




msg:546607
 2:33 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

And not a one of them brag about how much they make. They certainly never post how much they make per day.

Frup, you must be living in an alternate universe from me. In real life you meet people who make a lot of money and are perfectly happy to brad about it, and the same thing happens online. Only difference is that is easier to lie about it online.

There are plenty of people saying they make a lot of money who do make a lot of money....

kiladen




msg:546608
 3:32 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am one of them, I made $110,000 last month, and $105,000 month before from affiliate programs. It can be done, you just need 1000+ blackhat websites. I'm not selling anything, so don't sticky me, and I won't reveal many details either. I dont like to brag about it cuz I think its bad karma and I can lose my income easily, but for now I'll enjoy it while it lasts and make lots of investments + keep pumping out more sites. My total income for this year so far is $600,000.

Gruntled




msg:546609
 4:43 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Blackhat websites? Isn't that a term used for websites that put viruses, worms and other malicious scripts on the user's PC?

Beagle




msg:546610
 6:04 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Blackhat websites? Isn't that a term used for websites that put viruses, worms and other malicious scripts on the user's PC?

Gruntled, I think kiladen was trying to pull a few legs there. ;) I hope so, at least, regarding the black hat sites.

IMVHO, the mods on this site do a great job of cutting out the spammers in the open forum. If someone brags about how well they do but doesn't ask me for any $ to learn how (either in a thread or by sticky), I might take what they say with a grain of salt but wouldn't consider it spamming.

hannamyluv




msg:546611
 6:17 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Blackhat websites? Isn't that a term used for websites that put viruses, worms and other malicious scripts on the user's PC?

In the SEO world, blackhat means that the person promotes their site through means that the search engines do not like (i.e. they game the search engine system). Example of black hats tactics have included blog spamming, doorway pages, keyword stuffing and cloaking. Just for the record, most of the tactics just mentioned do not work any more.

Blackhat is not something for the weak of heart. The pay offs are big, if you can find a hole in the system, but these tactics can get a site banned. In cases where the blackhatter is particularly wily or so large, search engines have been known to activly and agressivly track down sites owned by these blackhatters.

Blackhatters have been known to make a six figure income one month and $0 the next. Yes, there are many people here who are or have been in the past blackhatters.

Gruntled




msg:546612
 8:55 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the education. I'm still a little green around the gills.

davewray




msg:546613
 9:24 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Kiladen...You MUST be a huckster or braggart to be making THAT kind of money without giving us naive folks here EVERY detail of how you do it *rolls eyes*

Hannamyluv...you're right on the money. I don't say what I make to brag (I don't give exact figures anyways..). I talk about it because a year ago I would not have thought it possible...and quite frankly I'm giddy about it. Not bragging, just excited :)

havok2004




msg:546614
 2:05 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Frup i dont know man there are thousands of people making 5k plus a month on affiliate programs, ive made 25k in a few months before, im not going to say its easy, but its nowhere near impossible, you just have to keep thinking around the clock.

metakomm




msg:546616
 6:11 am on Nov 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

What's the big deal?

I have been doing affiliate marketing strictly through PPC and make a nice profit. Mostly from bidding on trademarked terms 8)

Michael Anthony




msg:546617
 6:24 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

In my experience, it's very possible and sustainable to make a 7 figure income from PPC, and the results are guaranteed, unlike the lottery of SEO.

shadowdncer




msg:546618
 2:14 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Dave...this might be a very annoying question...but can you tell me an affiliate program that I can make $55 a day at. I have been looking for weeks. Really need to make an income. Hope this doesn't make me look too pathetic Thanks, Dawn

gabby




msg:546619
 4:01 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi shadowdncer,

Welcome to Webmaster World. Your question is the one everyone wants answered. Unfortunately if someone posted the answer here the opportunity would be immediately gone, as competition would devour the niche.

Try searching for less competitive areas where you can take one market niche and develop hundreds of keywords for it.

davewray




msg:546620
 9:25 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dawn, you're not pathetic by any means! What you've got is desire and the will to succeed which will help you go far so long as you don't give up. I'm not going to give you any specific programs to run, but think about this. Christmas is coming. What is a hot item that folks want at Christmas? There are literally dozens of those items and if you choose one, find some very Specific keywords to bid on for it, and then set your bid amounts low to start. Scale up your bids if you are not getting click volume. Another key is to create about three Ads for each Adgroup so that you can test which one has the best response (highest CTR) because Google will "reward" you with a lower cost per click if you can increase your ctr (relevancy). Type, "Affiliate network" into your favourite Search Engine and look for a network to join. Most networks will have dozens of merchants offering various products you can promote. Some more popular affiliate networks are: CJ, Linkshare, etcetera. I'm not sure how experienced you are with pay per click, but if you're not, start with just one product and start slow...then rev your engines when you get the hang of things. With persistence you'll be able to find that/those products that will net you $50/day. It takes time and work though! Good luck :)

[Disclaimer]: I don't have any site optimized for "affiliate network", so don't worry, I'm not leading her to any of my sites whatsoever.[/Disclaimer]

Dave.

Nefig




msg:546621
 10:30 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Tip: most networks provide you with EPC: If you don't know yet, it's average earnings per 100 people. If I were you, I'd be looking for reliable companies and niches you knew something about and EPC higher than $25-$30. If you come up with few thousands of keywords to bid on, with cost per click up to 20 cents, on average you will have 100 clicks which will cost you $20...

You see where Im going with that? Spend 50 bucks, see how it works for you. May be you'll make $80, may be $45, some people make $200 or even more.

Keep testing and revising your ads and cost per click. No need to be number one on Adwords, you just need to be profitable.And you can do it! Good luck, it's really no rocket science :) Hope this helps.

midwestguy




msg:546622
 9:19 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Davewray! Two quick questions for you, please...

First, when folks click your PPC ad, do you send them direct to the merchant -- or to your own landing page where you presell them and persuade them to click an affiliate link to the merchant?

Second, I know one has to do lots of research and testing of what products/services to offer. But could you share which affiliate networks you have found most and least best/profitable for you -- and thus which might be best for someone new to PPC with limited funds for testing to do their "prospecting" in?

Most of all, thanks a bunch for sharing as you do, Davewray. It's very helpful to those new to PPC to at least know there is indeed a real, legitimate payoff if one keeps at it and doesn't get discouraged or run out of money for testing and give up before finding what will work.

Best wishes to everyone,

Louis

davewray




msg:546623
 10:21 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Louis,

Hi, and thanks for your questions: Here are my answers, others may disagree:

Q. Do I send PPC traffic to merchant or landing page?

A. Both. It depends on how "lazy" I am and how much more I figure I could profit from it if I create my own landing page. If I think I can get more cheap clicks by producing my own landing page (more competative areas), then I will. If I'm promoting a merchant that not many others are and figure I will get a good number of clicks without my own landing page, then I will do direct to merchant.

Q. Which affiliate networks are the best/worst, most/least profitable?

A. I generally go with the bigger, more established networks. Ones that have a good track record of paying on time and having good and accurate tracking. Sometimes I'll do a direct deal with a company if I feel I can get a better payout than going through an affiliate network. Generally in that case I will target only large, established companies. Most, if not all, networks are profitable if you sell the right products.

Other comments:

Yes, you can make good money with PPC, but it's a big learning curve from when you start out to when you start making good money. As always, persistence and hard work will do you wonders. If you keep at it and have a desire to succeed then you will...eventually! I always say to those starting out though, start slow while you are learning so you don't make huge mistakes and lose a boatload of money. Losing a lot of money sours a lot of individuals and causes them to quit. Increase your budget/bid amounts only when you are showing a profit, and even then, make sure you maintain a good ROI.

Cheers.
Dave.

midwestguy




msg:546624
 11:05 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you very much, Davewray!

Take care,

Louis

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