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Teoma merged with Ask.com, now "self service" without Jeeves
ritch_b

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Msg#: 537 posted 9:22 am on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like Teoma has been dropped as a seperate brand, in favour of the more widely, outside of webmaster circles at least, known Ask.com.

The Teoma home page [teoma.com] now redirects to search.ask.com [search.ask.com].

Shame, as I quite liked the distinction between the two and the seperate identities; as part of a drive to increase awareness of Ask being a genuine search engine, rather than a quirky query tool, I can understand the reasoning behing the move though.

R.

 

engine

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Msg#: 537 posted 2:28 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The new Ask.com features a slick, do-it-yourself toolbox that helps users refine more types of searches with the first click of their computer mouse for maps, images, dictionaries, weather, local info or documents stored on their computers.


Ask makes changes [today.reuters.co.uk]

digitalbrain



 
Msg#: 537 posted 3:57 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

possible birth of google competator...

dauction

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:01 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

possible birth of google competator...

Nah..just an adjustment so they can release some gas

lol

Angelis

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:05 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Site is a lot slower than it used to be, not liking the menu structure either.

drshields

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:17 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think it's a google competitor. Or at least a contender for a much larger share of the market.

I was just reading an article that featured the CEO of InterActiveCorp, Barry Diller, regarding his plans for Ask.com. He thinks the Ask.com technology is superior to googles, and demonstrated by asking the Money Magazine editor to type in "Weather in Minneapolis (or any other city) in google, you basically get some generic reponses. In Ask.com, you get a specific response (the weather + forecast).

Essentially he is talking about Smart-Answer technology, getting an answer to something directly rather than a list of page results.

viggen

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:44 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ask uses my stolen articles from Wikipedia, just like Google, so they are both terrible..

Iguana

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Msg#: 537 posted 5:39 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

A much improved user interface - I hated the rubbish it used to come up with in those drop down boxes when you asked a question. Good riddance, Mr Jeeves. In fact I prefer this to Google.

I've only had a brief check of the results but for the sort of music searches I do it is possibly even better than Yahoo - which means it is well ahead of Google. Re-running some of the Technical searches I've been doing today, it's not as good as Google (those supplementary pages in Google are great for finding old forum answers).

I like the thumbnails of pages (the binoculars icon below the page listing).

Matt Probert

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Msg#: 537 posted 5:44 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm still not impressed.

Matt

mm1220

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Msg#: 537 posted 5:47 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Time to rename this forum?

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Msg#: 537 posted 5:47 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

They have a lot of work to do to pose a threat to Google. I see top ranking pages in the index that have not been recrawled in weeks or months (based on title displayed).

jo1ene

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Msg#: 537 posted 6:08 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Gee. When I type "weather in albany" in Google, without quotes of course, I get a four day forcast right on the top followed by appropriate results from weather authority/resource websites.

iIn Ask, I get only the current info on top, followed by a news station website (ack!), then the same authority/resource website.

Smart what?

joeking

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Msg#: 537 posted 6:44 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

On Bloomberg it said that Ask.com will be an alternative to Google just as Fox was to the three main networks when launched. It is looking for a 10-15% market share within 2-3 years (6-7% now).

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 537 posted 6:57 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, this was apparently a good thing!

After all these years of Teoma still ranking my .NET domain which was 301 redirected years ago when I bought the .COM, they finally FIXED IT (was still broke last week) and my .COM finally shows up in their SERPs now instead of that stupid .NET.

Maybe this is a sign they're gonna clean up some other stuff as well.

JollyK

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Msg#: 537 posted 7:00 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now that's sad.

I liked Jeeves.

I bet they didn't even give him a gold watch for his years of service. No sign of him anywhere, other than a "Where's Jeeves" notice on "Ask for kids."

If you search for "where's jeeves," you get several entries from the old "Ask Jeeves" that are 404, although a news article from another site does give a link to Jeeves' retirement page.

Shame on Teoma. Just like any major corporation, they just use you and suck the life out of you and then lay you off once they've got the traffic they want.

I hope Jeeves at least got some good stock options or 401K or something out of the deal.

JK

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Msg#: 537 posted 8:21 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ask:
Who is Canada's Prime Minister [ask.com]?

The Chief of State of Canada is Queen Elizabeth II, represented by Governor General Adrienne Clarkson, and the Head of State is Prime Minister Paul Martin

Well, one out of 3 ain't bad...
Jeeves (oops, I mean "Ask") cites cia.gov as their reference, and they have it right.

So, will my AJ swag be worth something someday?

lcampers

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Msg#: 537 posted 10:43 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I worked at Jeeves during the boom and fall phase (2000-2002).

The only reason it is still around is because they fired everyone (not me, I'm not bitter about anything - it was all very very interesting) and put ads everywhere. Because of their branding people still went to their site.

However, the business has serious fatal flaws - most of which is a bad product.

Teoma is based on some convuluted idea of ranking sites by grouping them into groups and then taking a picture of those groups. It really is nothing special and the search engine isn't finding sites that other search engines are or doing anything special.

Its value is in the number of people that still go to the site because of its brand name. Now that the old butler is gone, and the Teoma brand, it will be interesting to see how they are going to keep getting people coming back.

Wlauzon

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Msg#: 537 posted 12:10 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

We are #1, #2, and #4 on there for the most popular search terms, so I will not complain for now :)

kevinpate

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Msg#: 537 posted 1:14 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

> No sign of him anywhere,

They've been saying good show and fare thee well to Jeeves for a while. Even has a cutsey screen where you could read a buhbye note, see a card and other clap trap (I can't believe (a) I know this and (b) I admit it. I need a life, sheesh)

AhmedF

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:00 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Fantastic mapping service.

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Msg#: 537 posted 10:15 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well Jeeves has gone but the results pages look a lot cleaner. That has got to be a good thing.

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Msg#: 537 posted 11:06 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would like to hear about what they're doing in terms of technology. Google and Yahoo issue press releases and blog posts about their updates and technology changes. It gives the impression that nothing is changing at Ask.

We are #1, #2, and #4 on there for the most popular search terms...

Is your daily traffic from Ask measured in thousands?

King of all Sales

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Msg#: 537 posted 3:18 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is your daily traffic from Ask measured in thousands?

This misses the point. Ask seems to have built a nice interface from which they can continue to grow and they will. And so will MSN and so will Yahoo, etc., etc.

Capitilism has a way of always leveling the playing field and we are witnessing it in action.

King of all Sales

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Msg#: 537 posted 3:18 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is your daily traffic from Ask measured in thousands?

This misses the point. Ask seems to have built a nice interface from which they can continue to grow and they will. And so will MSN and so will Yahoo, etc., etc.

Capitalism has a way of always leveling the playing field and we are witnessing it in action.

JAB Creations

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Msg#: 537 posted 4:12 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ask sent me four times the results for it's crawl share over MSN this month and has done this on average since I've seriously started tracking such things.

Ask is very capable of giving better SERPS to serious sites due to it's college student's level of crawling the web. It does suffer from some serious strike outs (such as associating my site with farm lessons? What the!?) which needs to be ironed out perhaps with more crawling in shorter periods.

True; there are some flaws and improvements that Ask should implement or fix.

False; Ask is still very relevant these days.

It's the underdog of search engines and if it's real improvements continue with (my perception of) it's good or at least decent marketing it's future may see some serious gains in the market share.

futuresky

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Msg#: 537 posted 7:43 pm on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Very nice - like the new look and good to see they now have the possibility to view cached pages which can sometimes be very useful (I think I'm right in saying that wasn't there before).

Actually looking further it seemes that the cached pages are only on some sites - maybe that's something that they're introducing bit by bit as they crawl?

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 537 posted 3:26 am on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

On Bloomberg it said that Ask.com will be an alternative to Google just as Fox was to the three main networks when launched. It is looking for a 10-15% market share within 2-3 years (6-7% now).

Fox had sassy shows and right-wing news coverage to draw market share away from the mainstream networks. Unless Ask can replace Jeeves with Homer Simpson or Bill O'Reilly, it's going to be like a new librarian trying to win patrons away from another (and much more popular) librarian.

mm1220

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Msg#: 537 posted 3:16 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Fox had sassy shows and right-wing news coverage to draw market share away from the mainstream networks. Unless Ask can replace Jeeves with Homer Simpson or Bill O'Reilly, it's going to be like a new librarian trying to win patrons away from another (and much more popular) librarian.

You could equally argue that Fox's challenge was tougher than the one facing Ask. Fox was working with the same material that mainstream networks had (same news headlines, same weather, same sports results) plus they didn't have the clout at the start to get high profile guests. However, by presenting the same news material in a different fashion they aquired their niche audience.

Ask can do the same by simply returning different results. For many broad searches there are a whole host of websites that would be eligible for p.1 of an engine's SERPS (not just 10). Maybe they should ensure that they serve different, yet still relevant, results to Google.

People will try Ask if they think it's unique and can find stuff Google can't (even if G has found the sites but stuck them on page 2/3/4.)

beren

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Msg#: 537 posted 8:12 pm on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

One bad thing is that the Teoma toolbar no long works.

I have had the Teoma toolbar installed on IE for about a year and a half. Now with this change, whenever I use the toolbar, I get to as Ask.com page that says "This page cannot be displayed at the current time. Please double check the Web address and try again."

I don't know why they couldn't fix this.

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