| 3:47 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
muscle - just checked the logs for my two sites. Top three referers were Google, Yahoo, and MSN. Teomo powered sites weren't even close - I say, not even close to 25 % of my referrals. Sorry man.
| 4:27 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>When you guys get traffic from Metacrawler,
>Mamma, Dogpile, Excite, MyWay etc etc
For our selection of over 500 large sites with tens of millions of vistors per month, total traffic from all Ask/Teoma powered properties amounts to quite a bit less than one percent.
| 9:34 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
no way do they power 25% of all websearches, that is one heck of an increase from 2.5% in less than a year, even with there recent acquisition my logs are not seeing anything like 25%, more 3%, an i rank out to the max on teoma!
| 12:10 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
First Nielsen Ratings for the new combined company. Jeeves just hit the big time!
United States: Top 10 Parent Companies
Week ending May 24, 2004
Parent Name Unique
Microsoft 55,891 51.56 00:32:58
Time Warner 50,016 46.14 01:18:40
Yahoo! 47,664 43.97 00:44:01
Google 25,471 23.50 00:07:40
eBay 16,288 15.03 00:46:42
Ask Jeeves 12,101 11.16 00:10:40
United States Government 10,572 9.75 00:11:15
RealNetworks 8,403 7.75 00:25:49
InterActiveCorp 8,007 7.39 00:11:57
Amazon 7,935 7.32 00:09:54
| 12:19 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Are you a professional publicist with AJ as a client or something?
| 12:33 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
One of his posts gave it away:
...I don't give a damn if you guys buy the stock....
Who said anything about stock?
Looks like he's hyping the stock. I can just imagine what he says to others, now that he's nurtured a debate on WebmasterWorld:
|"The search expert forums on the Internet are full of lively discussions of AJs latest numbers, with top SEos in awe of the tremendous growth AJ has demonstrated. Discussion threads on AJ technology go on and on over weeks, with well-known experts hotly debating the technical achievements of the AJ search technologies. It seems the demonstrated ability of the AJ management team has truly sent a shock wave through the search industry. Webmasters are scrambling to their traffic logs, comparing AJ statistics to the former lone powerhouses Yahoo and Google". |
(I'm no copywriter, but I think you get the idea)
| 12:35 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I found the following link that shows the % for each search engine.
| 12:52 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Nielsen ratings are nothing more than guesses based upon surveys- they are not grounded in fact, nor are they facts. Nielsen ratings are speculation.
Ask Jeeves is still insignificant. No change.
| 1:22 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)|
wow the nielsen ratings [med.sc.edu] sure has an impressive track record.
One of my sites have 4,872 uniques today (so far).
17 of those people came from Jeeves. 16 of those people had Adwords / Adsense tracking codes.
what percentage is 1/4872th?
I studied lit not math, so forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't one expect that about 1200 of those visitors would come from AJ if they were providing 25%?
| 6:06 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|no way do they power 25% of all websearches |
umm...guys... no one says they power 25% of all websearches. Nielson never said that, and Ask Jeeves never said that.
Ask Jeeves said via press release that they power about 7% of websearches (after the purchase of interactive search holdings)
Nielson said AJ has a 25% reach. This has nothing to do with percentage of websearches. This means that 1 in 4 internet users at SOME TIME searches for something on AJ or a TEOMA-powered Meta engine.
REACH does not mean TOTAL SEARCHES!
Your logs do not lie.
Neither do the Nielson/NetRatings.
They are both right!
| 7:22 pm on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Ask/Teoma means very little (<< 5.0%) to our traffic. This Muscle13 guy's agenda is top quality entertainment. I can see the muscles in his neck bulge as he hammers out the PR prose. (That's Public Relations, not Pigeon Rank.)
| 3:04 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
> I was here to talk about the future of search
I find it amusing that you accuse AJ of having to do anything with the "future" of search.
AJ is like the elephant man in the freak show of dot com bust survivors - it makes just enough money to justify it staying online, but eventually someone is going to put it of its mercy and pull the plug.
| 3:13 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Ask Jeeves is unquestionably NOT the future of search. It's a dotcom survivor because Google was there to feed it a pool of advertisers. It is dependent on Google for it's survival because Ask Jeeves does not have the resources or the reach to cultivate the deep pool of advertisers that Google and Overture both command.
Without the pool of Google advertisers, Ask Jeeves is dead on arrival.
| 3:50 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I disagree. I believe Teoma has more relevant results than Google because it has better technology. Google came out of nowhere 4 or 5 years ago. Now it has competition in Teoma technology and Yahoo's Inktomi, AlltheWeb and AltaVista technology.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:19 pm (utc) on June 21, 2004]
[edit reason] leave the moderating to the moderators - thank you. [/edit]
| 3:56 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|I believe Teoma has more relevant results than Google... |
If Google results were so bad, nobody would be clicking on the Ask Jeeves ads that precede the Teoma results. If Google was inferior, Ask Jeeves would be back in the toilet doing the dot com spiral.
It is the Google ads that are sustaining Teoma. Most people (according to our logs) are not clicking on Teoma's results.
Think about it.
btw, I'm a fan of Ask Jeeves' approach. However, this thread is not about Ask Jeeves' technology, it's about their hype.
| 4:05 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
When I look at a particular regional search in Teoma, 18 /20 results are my sites or those of my clients.
Google seems to have more balanced results.
Anyhow, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean antagonism.
I might also mention that your original post was that "Teoma powers 25% of all web searches" - not that it might power 25% by 2011 or whatever.
Teoma/AJ won't live to 2011 without some real traffic, which it has yet to produce, despite their glowing press releases.
| 1:26 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I might also mention that your original post was that "Teoma powers 25% of all web searches" - not that it might power 25% by 2011 or whatever.
You beat me to it.... teaches me for taking a lazy sunday off!
Who else thinks that G could put up the equivalent of Teoma technology in a heartbeat if there was good enough reason to do it? Why put up technoogy that only 7% of searchers use? I don't see much IP buried in there.
To accuse the posters here of not being foward thoughful is amazing.... if you're willing to listen, you can get immediate insight out of this board that you can't find elsewhere, andit comes from those poster's foresight, knowledge, and experience. You won't always here what you want to hear, though ;-)
| 12:01 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
According to this study [emarketer.com] Ask Jeeves / Teoma's share was 1.7% for April and May 2004.
That's on par with my server logs.
| 12:14 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Those engines you mentioned could vanish tomorrow and no one but their employees would blink. |
Or would they even know!
| 12:34 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Did anyone else who disagreed with the original poster get stickied with a nasty email? I did.
| 2:32 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)|
no.. but with yesterday's announcement of a stock offering from AJ, I think we are proven correct. Two weeks of hype prior to an offer of stock seems about right for priming.....
| 11:51 pm on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)|
So far only one person has seemed to know the difference between market reach and market share.
I would be surprised if AJ does not have a larger than 25% market REACH, especially with all of the money they have put into marketing. According to Looksmart they have over 70% market reach though the market share is less than 1% I would assume. That said, looking at the thread starters post history tells a story.
| 12:47 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yeah, who cares what Muscle's agenda is. Let's stick to the facts.
25% market reach isn't particularly hard and given the syndication that AJ has, I'm sure it's quite possible.
Unfortunately, reach does not equate traffic, just mind-share. While it may convince people to buy stock, it's not going to generate conversions or sales for anyone around here.
| 3:07 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<<Teoma powers 25% of al web searches>>
I thought it was more like 45%? I have stopped even optimising sites for G and Y! - it's all about Teoma/ASK baby! Everywhere I go all I here is a buzz about how great teoma.com is. Nearly 80% of my friends have dropped Google for Teoma.
| 3:15 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
> Nearly 80% of my friends have dropped Google
> for Teoma.
yeah, I need new friends too ... ain't life a trip sometimes? 8^)
| 3:59 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
This muscle guy is a paid stock promoter, his posts are all over Yahoo finance message boards.
Not really unexpected from Ask Jeeves. I recently removed an Ask toolbar from a friend's computer that he never installed. Turned out, it was distributed through a spyware.
Anybody knows if Ask distributes itself through adult popups yet? Maybe they got the 25% after double counting of the garbage traffic? Who knows, there is huge adult Chinese traffic maybe they are all over it, we over here would not see it.
All my sites are well positioned in Ask, but the traffic is under 1%. As to the other Ask web properties, I don't think there are any real Excite users left anywhere, save for a few hundred remaining free email users
| 4:39 am on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
On sites with countless paid listings (Ask Jeeves) or free listing providers (metasearch), how many entities can claim to "power" it?
If only so many entities can lay claim to POWER, what of the rest?
"We were along for the ride on 25% of web searches?"
| 3:17 pm on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I just did a log search for 60 days on referrers from Teoma, AJ and Infospace Metas. Across the networks I have access too, that appears to be a total of 300k+ pages indexed on AJ/Teoma.
Total referrals? 55.
Total conversions? 0.
Same Time frame:
Total referrals? 255,128
Total conversions? 2725
255,128 vs 55? lol - I think it is time to put this thing on the robots.txt ban list.
> The level of antagonism on this board
Get a clue - the folks in the trenches at Teoma are great friends of the board and we have supported them and given them air time strongly when no one else has.
| 11:06 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Serves well for my purposes. Sorry you have no success with ASK. My blog is also indexed and ranked well for the keyword which surprised me. Teoma must like me.
| 8:19 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I will venutre that webmike is the never dead muscle13 or webvisitor. If I get a nasty sticky or overt rebuke, that will confirm it.
Otherwise, welcome to the board webmike,
| 11:24 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Time for me to speak up, I think!
For starters, I'll say that the people in this forum have always been great about supporting our efforts to offer choice in the market with our site and engine. So I would also argue with the word "antagonistic," as Brett did. On the other hand, there do seem to be a number of conspiracy theories in this thread. I'll try to set the record straight on a few of them.
First, the 25% reach number was taken out of context by the writer of the article first posted by Muscle13. The number cited by Michael Palka on the Toronto panel was as follows: 25% is the total reach of the search sites that, at the time, licensed our Teoma search technology (Infospace, etc) or used it (including Ask.com), collectively. Since that May conference, that number has actually grown thanks to our acquisition of ISH properties. Ask Jeeves, Inc.
is now the 7th ranked property on the Web overall. While we hope that translates into more search market share over time, in the United States our company share is currently estimated to be only 7-8%, though it is growing, especially on Ask.com. Ask.com now receives over 20 million unique users each month.
As for why some sites get more traffic from us than others, there could be any number of reasons. In the U.K. there is a different site layout today on Ask.co.uk that could account for different traffic levels sent to people in various categories. As of today, we only operate sites in the U.S. and U.K., though over time we will be expanding internationally.
From speculation about our marketing methods, to theories about Ask Jeeves' "mistreatment" of the Teoma technology, it's worth pointing out that we are a very different company than we were in 1998-2001.
First, one really should not make a distiction these days between Ask and Teoma as entities. Teoma had fewer than 10 employees when it was acquired in Sept '01, and both the search group and the technology have grown with Ask as the company has experienced its turnaround. If you are a user of Ask.com or Teoma.com, I think you'll agree that the Teoma engine has come a long way since 2001 and is now at a world-class level.
Secondly, we are not a marketing driven company the way we were in the "old days", when admittedly the Ask.com site was not up to par and they received a lot of flak for it. Even when we have marketed recently, however, the total has been very low, especially relative to Yahoo's marketing. Our growth is mainly coming from word of mouth.
Regarding the number of ads above the search results on Ask.com, we have taken the approach that when a query is commercial, rather than polluting the editorial index or playing it both ways with ads at the top *and* on the side, we prefer to show more ads on top, clearly marked. In those instances, they should be relevant. In the future you'll see us head even more towards this approach, to the benefit of the vast majority of other results pages, which are non-commercial. In contrast to recent comments I've seen, we have not, in fact, expanded the number of ads on our page recently. Our methodology has been the same for nearly 18 months. The only difference may be that the number of advertisers in the Google AdWords program has expanded.
As for the biggest mystery of this thread: who is Muscle13? Heck if we know. As a public company we are not allowed to pump the stock that way, and I am the only permitted spokesperson of our company on WebmasterWorld. We appreciate the support though, whoever it is. Also, who would pump a stock on WebmasterWorld? :)
Hope this is helpful. In general, people should know that we at AJ are working our tails off to compete in this market. Our desire is not necessarily to be the biggest, but to be the best, and we think that given our assets we can get there. The more people who support us, the more dynamic the search market will be going forward.
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