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sem4u




msg:32969
 3:21 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

How long does it take for the Teoma spider to come back to your site if you are not paying for inclusion?

Has anyone paid for inclusion? Was it worth it?

 

caine




msg:32970
 6:59 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

> Has anyone paid for inclusion? Was it worth it?

#1. Yes. No. -> unless your site is targetting a niche which AJ/Teoma have a serious level of traffic for then i would suggest that inclusion dependant on budget must be your first concern. Remember there's adwords which top out on Teoma. Certainly the PFI has shown me how little traffic i actually get from teoma.

> How long does it take for the Teoma spider to come back to your site if you are not paying for inclusion?

#2. How long is a piece of string, certainly since they went PFI with PT and ineedhits, the update frequency has been near zero if not zero, for freebie inclusions. Hence a few months ago i thought the same as you, and added a load of urls, via the PFI to get the updated content in, did it have the effect of topping the ranks - yes. Did it provide any traffic for them url's and associated key terms, no. Your decision - refer to answer #1.

Note: Certainly as it stands Teoma is pretty much indsutry specific, due to its user base being predominantly women and children.

BlueSky




msg:32971
 7:27 pm on Oct 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

What particular industries do you think gets the most traffic from that SE?

sidyadav




msg:32972
 11:44 am on Oct 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

What particular industries do you think gets the most traffic from that SE?

As caine said:
unless your site is targetting a niche which AJ/Teoma have a serious level of traffic for then i would suggest that inclusion dependant on budget must be your first concern.

JuniorHarris




msg:32973
 12:14 pm on Oct 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

We're not using PFI and the range free spider for AJ/Teoma has had no problem indexing many pages for our site. I haven't tracked the turnaround time, but I would guess it could be measured in weeks. It has provided an additional trickle of traffic.

BlueSky




msg:32974
 1:39 pm on Oct 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

sidyadav, exactly the word "niche" is a non-descriptive, generic word and pretty meaningless. Surely caine must have some idea of which areas are getting a high level of traffic if he's recommending not to use PFI unless a site is targeting these.

martinibuster




msg:32975
 4:03 pm on Oct 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

The niche generally referred to is women. 40% of Ask Jeeves users typically use Ask Jeeves exlusively.

Ask has recently grown their index, presumably consisting of sites that were crawled in the first quarter of this year. There doesn't seem to have been any update activity for awhile- not that I can see. Ask has claimed to update the index on a bi-monthly basis (Ha!).

Part of the delay is attributed to their system of discerning "Subject-Specific Popularity" and organizing the web into communities- but I suspect they may need to raid their local Office Depot and invest in a couple more linux boxes.

tygerwoodz




msg:32976
 5:59 pm on Oct 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

according to their site its 58 % women

asinah




msg:32977
 1:31 pm on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

We get about 200 visitors per day from aj. It is travel content such as maps, visa information etc. most of those traffic comes from ask.co.uk

Hope it helps

grandpa




msg:32978
 12:34 am on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

85% of my customers are women. 0% of my refereals come from Ask. Since I went to PFI with them 2 months ago, I still haven't been spidered - at least not that I can see. How many different agents are they using, names?

I checked my status at ineedhits the other day, and my 2 sites were marked as "waiting for inclusion", or whatever phrase they actually use. Meanwhile, I had previously been in the ranks of "accepted". I wrote an e-mail and that bit has changed, but still no spider.

I'm feeling like I helped their bottom line, but they don't seem to be willing to help mine. Ask won't be in the next round of budgets.

sem4u




msg:32979
 11:51 am on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

The spider was indexing last month and titles and descriptions have been updated, giving a big boost in rankings for some sites.

grandpa




msg:32980
 1:03 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shortly after I posted my first message on the 9th we switched servers. From those server logs I have this:
On the 23rd "Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; Ask Jeeves/Teoma)" came by and picked up 3 pages, 2 that are old doorways and my free samples page. There were another dozen hits from the bot during this same time, but no pages spidered.

So to answer this question:
Has anyone paid for inclusion? Was it worth it?
No!

I'm beginning to wonder about the phrase Paid Inclusion. I am being told that my site is in the Teoma database. In fact it was in the database before my PFI. So if I'm paying to be included in a database that I already exist in, the bot gets a vacation?

martinibuster




msg:32981
 1:24 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

PFI doesn't mean you'll receive a boost in ranking. AJ/Teoma's algorithm is particular about your link neighborhood, so it's best to get those ducks in order.

;) Y

Quack.

grandpa




msg:32982
 1:58 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Maybe I'm still unclear about what PFI means? I thought it meant "Pay us, we'll spider and index your site on a regular basis for inclusion (updates too?) into our database, upon acceptance.

I just want my pages spidered and indexed. All I get is, "You are in the index" Yes, and those are old pages that aren't even used anymore, in many instances. It wouldn't matter what page I put my ducks on if it doesn't get spidered.

steveb




msg:32983
 2:34 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Pay us, we'll spider and index your site..."

No. You pay for one page to be spidered.

asinah




msg:32984
 4:39 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Had 3000 links in teoma and AJ. Looked today again and we have no 120,000 links in their index. Didn't paid anything.

grandpa




msg:32985
 8:28 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well $&^%. If I had read the 2 previous messages prior to spending any money I would not have spent it. So now I'm this juncture, Teoma has all my old pages, how do I get my new pages in the database? PFI is not a solution.

percentages




msg:32986
 8:55 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Has anyone paid for inclusion? Was it worth it?

No, never will, and no again....it is pointless.

Like all good SE's Teoma will index your site and all pages if you have sufficient backlinks. No need to PFI, just get the links.

andrew_m




msg:32987
 9:24 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Teoma spider fetches a page once a second on the average from my site for probably about a week now. They got about 250,000 pages so far.

Are they going to stop once they visit every page or are they going to keep that pace forever?

And I cannot find any pages in the search yet (except the front page) -- how long does it take to appear in the search results?

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