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positiontech vs ineedhits
any difference?

 5:42 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

hey everyone... this is a two-parter:

1. ineedhits claims theirs is the only way to get listed in ask/teoma. is this true? doesn't positiontech do the same thing?

2. over the past months i've submitted my site to so many different se's i can't remember whom i paid, for what services, etc. before i shell out another few hundred bucks for ask/teoma, what is the quickest and most accurate way of checking that i haven't already paid them for inclusion?


- max


jeremy goodrich

 5:47 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

1) Both companies provide inclusion services to the Ask / Teoma database.

2) use your login (if you have one) to the position tech or ineedhits 'members area' where you can check click thru's, etc. They will list what urls (if any) you have subscribed with.


 7:26 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks jeremy... now, the glitch is that i if i have a user id, i can't recall it. can i simply do a search for my website on say askjeeves and see if my site comes up? would that tell me that i already paid them for inclusion? or is that misleading? hope that question makes sense. thanks again.

- max


 7:32 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, it wont! ineedhits and positiontech and ask for your user name and password.

jeremy goodrich

 7:41 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>would that tell me that i already paid them for inclusion? or is that misleading?

How would that tell you who you paid, if you had made a payment at all? You can also check your bank statements - if you have those - for receipts, etc. I keep a file for all my business expenses, so I can always reference that.

If you have a bill from one company, it will say how much you paid & when. Then, you know 1) when you subscribed and 2) what company you paid.

After that, I would say analyse your log files! If you did any pay for inclusion, it has to make sense, in terms of ROI. Make sure you are getting your money's worth. If not, don't pay the same company more money.

However, when you get your accounts straightened out if you find that you got a lot of traffic and/or positive ROI on the PFI fees, you are all set - and you should probably continue with the same thing you've already been doing.


 7:48 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

what i meant by "paid them" is that by searching for www.mysite.com in their engine and seing it listed would imply that i already subscribed to their inclusion services and therefore (obviously) do not need to pay them (again).

jeremy goodrich

 7:51 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, it's possible you got in their db for free if you search for your site & find it.

So, that would not necessarily rule out the possibility of payment - it would only mean your site was there, either free or paid for. :)


 7:58 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

didn't mean for this to get as complicated as it did :) sorry!

my main confusion was not related so much to whether i actually "paid" them, but whether or not i was already included in the db - which would by extension tell me that i shouldn't bother paying now.

so to get this straight in my own mind: if i do askjeeves search for www.mysite.com and get "Dash it, there are no results for: www.mysite.com", then obviously my website was not indexed by them and no user can find me by doing a search on any related terms... is this correct?

jeremy goodrich

 8:16 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Spot on! (yes that is correct).

Just searched for 1 of my sites - www.widgets-r-great-and-wonderful-online-sale.com (he he) and found 2 pages listed.

So if you find your site by www.your-domain-here.com, then you are listed in the ASK database.


 8:51 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)


now, on a semi-related note: where does askjeeves gets its "sponsored" listings?

jeremy goodrich

 8:56 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

google adwords.


 9:02 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

really!? in that case, i'd LOVE to know why i'm not being listed... my avg rank in adwords is around 2 but not showing up in askjeeves. hmmm.... is this something i should be contacting google about?


 11:12 am on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

You need to go into your adwords account, and select all for the visibility of your campaign.

The program will then show listings in several search engines, as well as Ask Jeeves.

What Jeremy was saying is correct, if you put the url in the search term bar in teoma or AJ, and the listing does not show then you are not in.

Dependant on time and money > you can either go through the PFI or hunt down links to well ranked related sites already in the update cycle of teoma, and get in that way though patience is a virtue with this route.


 3:30 pm on May 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

"ineedhits claims theirs is the only way to get listed in ask/teoma"

Uh thats not right, u can get in by just being good :P


 5:03 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks to all for all suggestions.

- max

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