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Why should i subscribe to webmasterworld?
somebody needs to sell me

 5:08 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Brett (et. al.)

What good is a subscription [webmasterworld.com]? What goes on in the community forums that us plebes don't see? I like your site, but I haven't seen a good reason to pay all that $$$.

You should spend some time on marketing. ;)



 5:12 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>You should spend some time on marketing..

I don't think he needs to! Best site on the net.


 5:31 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Why should i subscribe to webmasterworld?<

Cause what you learn here has real value and you would like to help fund the costs that are associated with running the forum.


 5:31 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

To give you one of many possible answers: It's a community thing. For many many people from all angles of web development and internet marketing this place has become a resource they can't do without. So they decide to become subscribers just to support the community.

Honestly, I think this place has helped more small to medium web based companies to start out, stay afloat or flourish than any other institution I know of.


 5:40 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think what he's asking is, what goes on behind the closed doors of the private forum...


 5:48 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Aside from supporting WebmasterWorlds continued operation and expansion, subscribing to the site has tangible benefits. Members receive:

Access to the private supporters forum. It is made up of some of the best professionals in the business in a more relaxed atmosphere.
An ad free environment if we should add advertising.
25% off the cover price at all WebmasterWorld hosted conferences.


 6:03 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>You should spend some time on marketing.

there were plenty of supporters both before/after it was official

i think the main thing is that if you gain something from what you read here then maybe it might be worth giving something back, even just from a selfish point of keeping the whole thing going ...

when i found this place my sites began to kick off, not because i discovered the elixir vitae here, but because

1) i learned to work at my sites from a more informed viewpoint

2) i found inspiration from like minded people


 6:13 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't really think the motivation for subscription needs to be all that noble... in fact, the motivation doesn't matter at all, high horse riders. If part of the site is subscription based, there must be some added value there, if not, then a donation of what ever amount I feel comfortable with would be more appropriate in my own situation. I don't pay my local gas station more per gallon of gas just because I think the owners are nice guys... know what I'm sayin'?


 6:16 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

(: Subscribe to see all the zero day nf0 and heated topics telling the truth in the Members area. :)


 6:17 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

it should be based on what you will or have gained by reading and digesting and posting on both sides of the wall

There are single threads on the public forum whose information will produce more than $150 if properly followed. And there's equal value on what goes on behind the curtain in a less noisy forum. Look at it as an investment in the future of your site. It's been worth it to me.


 6:25 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I don't pay my local gas station more per gallon of gas

The gas here is free and has been for more than 3 years, Mat.
The subscribers place is a little more relaxed, and a little less crowded. It's a nice place to be.

If you don't feel like you can or want to subscribe than that's fine too. No need to stress out on that.


 6:26 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

For me, there is no need to sell anything.
I see the benefits to me, there is no need to 'sell' them to me, 'cos, I think I know what I want (I have not contributed, yet!.).
When I have the 'spare' I'll put in 'cos I like the way this forum is going and I'm prepared to help by sponsoring the time and effort financially.

Each to his own, I guess. I'm here 'cos I want to be, not because the idea was sold to me. Because a community has to supply facilities, a community should pay for them.

I have found this community extremely well inhabited (with all kinds of people with the desire to communicate), with some of the best freely available webmaster tools around (many of them inhouse), just the kinda yard I'd like to hang around in, with a group of people who feel it is worthwhile to do things to make it more comfortable .
That's why the accolade from time to time. [webmasterworld.com](well done Brett and all of WebmasterWorld by the way ;) ).
I guess for me a good product sells itself.

Just my 10 euro cents


 6:26 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

The greatest advantages of a subscription are: commercialism, quality control & risk management.

For every public member in WebmasterWorld there are 2 or 3 lurkers who sit, read and "copy/paste" for their own benefit without participating in the community. They take and give nothing.

Community leaches sort of speak.

We all need from time to time to bounce an idea off of others to cover a whole gamut of "cause & effect" but those leaches make the process of doing it in the open very unappealing.

In the "attic" it is all share, all give and take thus a few may be rewarded for you opening up an idea - but they help develop that to fruition.

It's very disheartening to open dialogue up in public only to find out that someone with "much more resources" beat you to it, and had nothing to do with the original process.

Pay to play! ;)

Marketing Guy

 6:32 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

> Honestly, I think this place has helped more small to medium web based companies to start out, stay afloat or flourish than any other institution I know of.

Those who are starting out may not be able to afford subscriptions.

To all who commented on the value of WW and that we should contribute to supporting the site:

That isnt in question. We all agree with that.

The point is why should anyone upgrade from a free service to paid one?

Why pay for the forum software when the freeware version meets you needs? What added features does the paid version have?

Why pay for Opera when it can downloaded for free? What additional benefits does it hold?

Any service that is offered for free has a huge amount of detail "selling" the benefits and features of the paid version of the service.

The WW subscription lacks that. I would have to agree with webdevsf - more marketing is needed.

>ad free environment - yes indeed unique for the web and a good selling point for some, but most people really aren't that bothered.

>25% Discount for PubCon - a much better example of tangiable benefit from subscribing.

>More relaxed atmosphere....eh? Thats very vague. Not a good selling point im afraid. Too ambiguous. May as well try to sell a sense of well being. ;)

Personally, I would be inclined to subscribe (when I can afford it) if i had more information available to me.

Content is King! :)

I think the main selling point just now is the mysteriousness surrounding the supporters forum which is being encouraged by exisiting susbscribers and long term members.

It could be that the aim is not to generate a huge amount of income from subscriptions, but to stem the amount of people subscribing to a sustainable level (therefore reducing forum spam, etc on the new forum).

Yes, more marketing is required. But only if WW is targetting the mass market.

Im sure Brett et all are more than capable of generating custom for the service and presumeably are happy with the levels of uptake - therefore no more marketing is required.

>You should spend some time on marketing.

Why? You're doing it for them! ;)

>>>>Courtesy of Marketing Guy<<<<<<


 6:34 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Every once in a while an inventor/company etc come up with a product which just blows everyone away.

No marketing budgets, No hype and No b#@X%£*)

Webmasterworld fits that category, why try and sell a product, which sells itself.

Its the ONLY forum I have ever heard mentioned in meetings with people who control most of the Internet Marketing.



 6:41 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Why pay for Opera when it can downloaded for free? What additional benefits does it hold?

Agree totally - personally I prefer the much small private community. If everyone here in the public was also "private" there really wouldn't be a need for the public forums.

No marketing is needed... it is not meant as an enhanced revenue stream.


 6:49 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I will be signing up once my debts have been paid off. I want to contribute because, lord knows, I don't know where I would be today if it weren't for WebmasterWorld. I also want to know what goes on behind that wall! ;)

Paying for the privilege of belonging to the private forum isn't for everyone and that's fine! Personally, I think asking Brett to market it is kind of out there. If you can't figure out the benifit to you as a webmaster or SEO professional, you likely don't need it anyway.

As Heini said ... no need to stress out about it. The public forum is a wonderful place to be! :)


 6:50 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I want to subscribe, really I do, I just wish there were a monthly installment plan... As someone who is in the very early stages of owning and operating a small business, every dollar is tough to come by. Harder still is coming up with a hand full of dollars at the same time. Since this is my scenario, I NEED to be assured that what I would be getting via subscription is of added value...


 6:52 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

If the subscription offers no real added value over the free, then out of my own sense of gratitude, i would make a donation at a level that I was comfortable with, if it is of real added value, I want in... got it?

Not stressing in the least bit.


 6:55 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmmm, value for money?

I weighed in for a washing machine in November to make life easier.
I weighed in for a computer overhaul last year to make life easier.

I see subscription here in a similar way. Who knows, if not just enough people subscribe to make ends meet.......
i prefer not to go down that road. ;)


 7:13 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

When I joined the other side, I'd quite literally read something and say to myself:
"That one thing was worth the $$ I paid." That happened too many times & I've stopped counting.

Other highlights:

No Google Update Thread
Fewer me-too posts
Fewer newbie-ask-the-same-questions-that's-covered-in-the-Google-Knowledge-base posts
Fewer I'm-too-lazzy-to-use-the-search posts
Better networking opportunities
Members sharing some useful personal/professional background info
Better quality recommendations on products/services
Ability to use specific urls, keywords... when needed
Closed to spiders & the occasional nosey client
No lurkers, just active posters

Best ROI I got on any investment on the web.


 7:25 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

rmjvol.... thank you... that was exactly what I wanted to know and that would be a real added value to me. Thanks for not delivering the do it because it's the right thing to do (lets appeal to your sense of obligation) jargon and actually getting to a real tangable point.


 7:39 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I joined the other side because of gratitude and in no way to look or feel noble.
About a year ago I started a thread titled something like “Life without Google”. In that thread a lot of us that were hit with a penalty or for some other reason lost our Google rankings talked about how to make it without any Google listings. From that post a couple of people on this board and of course GoogleGuy helped me get my site back in the show. Well even if there is life without Google, being back in the show gave me a 20K increase in sales this year. I know there are people here that make more then that in a week, but to me it meant and still means a major change in a 30-year-old business. Things have never been so good.
Straight up, that’s the reason I coughed up the money. I’ll still use my free Opera but I also don’t have any problem sending some green energy toward an open place like this.


 8:06 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

All id say is how often do you go to WW...once a week?..once a month?.....over 10 times per day?

Has this site been worth $149 to you last year?

You can get the best free advice/questions sorted on the non subscribe side......the pay side is up to you!


 8:21 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Excellent Conrad!

A wise man once said...

Ask not what WebmasterWorld can do for you, ask what you can do for WebmasterWorld - the community.

In plain english - ROI on "free" is exceptional even if you only make $10 more than you would have without "free". If you really need to ask "what's in it for me"... WebmasterWorld provided that in advance... how many of you asking this question provide the same thing to your customers - "free" products & services and only paid if you want to.... none!

The question therefore is why did you original become a member of this particular community?

A recent post by me - in private -- which sort of parallels this thread and the varying opinions of "what's in it for me".

...the 4 most brandable features that WebmasterWorld and any (all) conferences have is:

Global community joined by a common theme - achieving connectivity in both the virtual sense and in the real world.

Improvement/Advancement - information > knowledge > skill > wisdom > share > repeat >

This is a big asset - the testament of complete knowledgeless newbies going from next to nil website visitation to 2K a day, for the cost of reading, asking, and applying is no minor feat.

Internet Quality Control

A testament to Brett... but more importantly, all admins, moderators, and all members that actively participate in projecting a professional "growth" community that is opened to share ideas, concepts, observations, and trends while both teaching & learning at the same time. Constructivism at its finesh. (People learn better by doing).

Internet Leadership

It is rare to find a resource that maintains steadfast consistency, such that a vast number of web related businesss and their reps - Google, DMOZ, Euroseek, Wordtracker, Hitlinks, and so many more, are not just members but actively participating in open discussions within their fields of expertise.

All of this amazed me 8 months ago - and it only gets better by the day.


 8:37 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you are working with any clients or projects that compete with our clients, please don't subscribe. It's nice to have the extra advantage.


 8:43 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

What if the price was a not so convenient 30,000 dollars what about $30,000,000.00. I feel like you all are trying to prove a point that by asking what over and above the free service does the subscription have to offer I am in some way not appreciative. How dare I question it. I should just be grateful that I was allowed to join. Believe me I am grateful. $150.00 is a big deal to me at the moment. That $150.00 means more to me than $15,000.00 means to some of you. I won't take food out of my kids mouths because of a sense of obligation, however, if it means that by giving $150.00 now, I'll never have to worry about putting food in my kids mouth again, your damn right I'll pay it. If I could afford it, I would pay 1 hundred billion dollars to be a part of such a vibrant community... but I can't. So I am left out here wondering, should I take a gamble with this months food budget in the hopes of finding salvation behind the velvet WW curtain, or do I leave well enough alone. If I know the odds, I'll be a much happier gambling man.


 8:52 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

should I take a gamble with this months food budget

Never gamble with your food budget. There is no free money back there. It is more helpful individually for each member, but I don't think you should pay unless you can afford to.


 9:09 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)


I am in the same boat and am planning to join "at some future date" ... when I can afford to. $150.00 is still a big deal to me too. Don't take it as if anyone is chiding you for not being grateful. That simply isn't the case!

As I said, the free forum is a wonderful place to be and its where we have all started out.

Don't gamble anything ... wait until you can afford it! As there is no payment plan, make your own. Put away $10.00 or $20.00 a month until you have enough saved and then sign up if you choose to. In the meantime, be happy (like me) that WebmasterWorld public forums exist ...

I NEED to be assured that what I would be getting via subscription is of added value.

Nobody is going to hand you thousands of dollars just because you join. However, the advantages are pretty easy to figure out from the above posts IMHO.

... and please don't refer to those of us on the outside looking in as plebes. I'm not a plebe!:)


 9:15 pm on Jan 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'll second Korkus, nothing is worth gambling your children's food budget.

If you want to do it then put 5 or 10 bucks away somewhere every month and when you have the cash go for it.

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