| 8:46 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>>Are you talking about >>Douglas Adams that >>wrote "Hitchhiker's Guide >>to the Galaxy" who died >>last May?
The very same.
>>"...I can't see him as knowledgeable enough for his comment to be more valid that the pro-Flash people that have written here"
Huh? His insightful quote is valid in this context. Flash has yet to find a necessary real-world application, just as Multimedia CD ROMS pretty much failed during the nineties.
Flash has niche applications but I just can't see it growing beyond that.
The next jump will be to interactive video. Once that happens, why have cutesy animations? Adaptations of the film worlds more complex animation tools will be used instead.
I think animation artists have a bright future. It's just that Flash 'aint it.
My two cents ;)
(edited by: feeder at 9:07 pm (gmt) on Dec. 11, 2001)
| 9:04 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>>I just dont know. *Nobody* has even given a realistic attempt at an ecommerce site done completely in flash.
Actually, they have. An online music store did one. They scrapped it.
Why? Too slow to load, half their customers couldn't run it, the search engines couldn't find it, they couldn't get decent stats, error prone, client maintence was near impossible, expensive to develop etc etc...
Our company had to redesign it (non-flash) to make it work. We got the design work because the client was so pissed with the Flash happy design company that he refused to give them a cent more.
I don't think it was necessarily the fault of Flash, just bad design and failing to keep the clients needs in focus. However, once again, to use Flash site wide you would need a *valid* reason to do so.
The usual Flash justification "...because it looks pretty" is not enough to address a multitude of e-commerce requirements.
The minute Amazon moves to an all Flash site, I'll retract ;)
| 10:54 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)|
A music store would be a good choice for trying such a thing. But it really sounds like the specific instance you are talking about is not a realistic attempt. If it takes to long to load, its not realistic. Same goes with being unmaintainable. Of course, I have hardly any experience with flash, so this is all just conjecture.
| 11:00 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)|
From the original post; "So how about a forum all to itself?"
The suggestion was for a forum for those who liked flash. Based on the follow up, I would say there is more than enough support for a forum for those who really, really, don't like flash. :)
My 2 cents:
When flash gets you a bump in google PR, we will all love it and use it.
| 11:34 pm on Dec 11, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Oddly enough, we already have a forum for those that don't like Flash: the Browsers, HTML and Web Design forum!
| 2:04 am on Dec 12, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The other thing of course is that Flash is a proprietary format is it not? (Macromedia). Unlike PHP, XML, HTML, DHTML, glorious text, js, png, jpg and lots of OpenSOurce, the power in the end lies in the hands of the owner of the technology. It never really is "yours"... You don't have full control..
| 9:38 am on Dec 12, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The ONLY reason Flash is bad is when it designed badly.
Slow Loading Time - Bad Design
Poor/Annoying Navigation - Bad Design
Lengthy Meaningless Intro - Bad Design
Too much Onscreen Animation - Bad Design
Poor Search Engine Visibility - Bad Design
No HTML Version - Bad Design
When designed well it is a smooth, sophisticated, intuitive, intelligent and a million times better than any other current web format.
| 9:33 pm on Dec 12, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Can someone point out a URL of really good Flash design? A design that loads fast, is intuitive etc etc....
| 9:55 pm on Dec 12, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>Can someone point out a URL
Xtreme Niche, new buzzword :)
| 11:53 am on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)|
$55 for ten pairs! *faints, wakes up sees screen, faints again!*
| 3:50 pm on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)|
haven't read the entire thread... too long & too little time. But I have seen a lot of posts that promote the notion that there is lots of other great forums for flash -> There are lots of other great forums for everything but (start singing) nobody does it better (than WmW).
I think one of the key problems is that it is so much harder to get reasonable results out of Flash than it is HTML.
| 4:53 pm on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Flash is good at...
| 6:58 pm on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Hehe... nice find Xoc! Very simple, functional and fast loading. Nice looking... but DANG! $55 for 10 pairs of socks?
| 10:53 pm on Dec 13, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>>$55 for socks
They need to pay for the Flash designers somehow ;)
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