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Display Problem in IE6?
everything is centered

 9:22 pm on Jul 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

This is strange... in IE6.0, everything at this site is centered (even the posts themselves). But in Mozilla0.9.2, NN4.75, and Opera5.12 most everything is left-justified. I won't have a chance to test with IE5.01 until Monday.

Does anyone else see it this way with IE6.0?



 9:30 pm on Jul 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hello Mike:

I've got the beta version of IE 6 and have no such problem.



 9:35 pm on Jul 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have version 6.0.2479.0006, perhaps there's been some bug fixes since I downloaded?


 10:08 pm on Jul 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Mine is version 6.0.2462.0000. Maybe they added some bugs to your version.



 10:20 pm on Jul 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

LOL! That's possible!


 1:35 am on Jul 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have the centering problem too, also the reply form is messed up. This problem (and a few others) didn't start until I uninstalled IE6, I've reinstalled it hoping it would cure some of the things it trashed on uninstall but no luck.


 4:45 am on Jul 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

They didn't start until you uninstalled IE6... what browser are you using now?


 1:14 pm on Jul 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

MikeFoster: IE6

While we're discussing IE6... does anyone else get chinese symbols in place of apostraphes or have the font change after a page loads (it's the normal IE font until the page finishes loading, and then it changes for no apparent reason, this is on all pages, setting up a webview.css file fixes it but causes other problems... I dislike IE these days).


 3:41 pm on Jul 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

You guys make me feel like I'm standing on an undetonated land mine - I'm afraid to uninstall and I'm afraid to update.



 4:01 pm on Jul 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

> centered

Hi Mike. Is it any different now? I switched some of the centering types I was using around this morning.

>undetonated land mine

Not since Dos 4.0 took out my hard drive have I ever installed anyting marked (beta, alpha, x.00 to x.09) from Microsoft.


 12:52 pm on Jul 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

Brett: I have IE5.01 at work, and its fine. I'll check with IE6.0 tonight. Thanks.

Dan: No, I don't think I've noticed the font problem.

Lawman: :D


 1:06 am on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nope... IE6 is still centering everything.

This is obviously a bug in IE6...

I think I'll crank up Mozilla


 8:54 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'd be curious to know if it is still the case after you install the next version you get of IE.


 5:09 am on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)


I just installed the new non-preview IE6.0... Yes! Everything in the table cells is centered! (Across the entire site).



 5:23 am on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I just discovered the tags that cause this behavior.

In many areas you are using nested tables. When you use the <center> tag to center the nested table, it centers all of the text within the nested tables cells. I copied the source for your main page, deleted these particular <center> tags and then the page renders correctly (or uh.. uncentered)!



 6:37 am on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just tried a quick IE6 fix. Just add this to the <style> tag:

TD { text-align: left }

Fixed everything right up!



 8:52 am on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I've checked with NN4/6, Moz, Opera 3/4/5, IE 5/5.5, and the Konquerer folks say it is ok.
For the most part, the site validates as html standard via the w3c (I may have back slide in the validation department recently with some changes)

So...if we are centered, I can only imagine there are alot of sites out there that are too?

I'm not ready to open the pandoras box of compatability issues yet for a specific bug work around. (td align=left would have to be on the class basis to work or most of the page elements would be left aligned in all browsers but ie)...


 4:17 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Some threads (like this one) are now properly aligned to the left. Others are still centered, even after reloading. I assume the 'fix' is propagating through the cgi as pages are activated?


 7:05 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Better now?

(he says while holding the coat hanger and tin foil)


 7:14 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

(...move a little more to the left. No, no, your OTHER left!)

Yeah, it's better. The dynamically generated static pages are starting to come in left justified. The cgi-driven pages like the section indices (ex: index.cgi?action=viewcategory&category=), the active list, and the reply form are still centered.


 7:47 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Everything on the site is dynamically generated rc.

I had to add align=left to EVERY td on the system to get it right. IE6 is incorrect.

I have sites EVERYWHERE that are centered like that - what a horror.


 7:57 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise!

Think of all the money that can be earned fixing customer's websites!

Thank you M$ ;)


 7:57 pm on Aug 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

>Everything on the site is dynamically generated rc.

I know, but the ones that have 'cgi' in the url are the ones that remain centered.


All in a webmaster's day....

Look at it this way, we have early adopters of IE6 (non-beta) here. We gave you a head start. However, I don't even want to think about all the pages I have out there w/ just <td> in them.

Sgt Sunflower

 4:33 am on Sep 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

I just noticed this myself.
Well, center has been depricated by the W3c for years. This just serves us right (pardon the pun) for continuing to use it.


 5:43 am on Sep 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Welcome Sgt_Sunflower,

The IE6.0 centering bug is not limited to the <center> tag.

<td align=center> will cause all subsequent table cells to center.

So will <p align=center> and <div align=center>

BTW: All the pages at WmW have been modified to render in IE6.0 as designed.



 3:45 pm on Sep 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

>Well, center has been depricated by the W3c for years.

Ok, what's a html 3.2 alternative that will center nested tables for the "border effect" in this manner?

<table bgcolor="#000000" cellspacing=4 cellpadding=4><tr><td>
<table bgcolor="#fafafa" cellspacing=4 cellpadding=4 width=100%><tr><td>

That works in all browsers but ie6 when using a proper doctype and dtd url at the w3.

This (and several variations on the theme) does NOT work in all browsers:

<p align=center>
<table bgcolor="#000000" cellspacing=4 cellpadding=4><tr><td align=center>
<table bgcolor="#fafafa" cellspacing=4 cellpadding=4 width=100%><tr><td>

Much like ie6's centering problem, you will end up with content (text) centered in the inner table with some browsers.

Even given html 4 as a base standard, there is little you can do to achieve the same results and remain compatable accross the board - only <center> gives you that in a single no fuss universal tag.

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