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New Homepage Online.
Thank you for the feedback.

 4:53 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thank to everyone who offered comments in this thread:

And the previous discussions on where we should go.

I think it turned out good. I'm excited about what the new hp can do for members. There will be some minor adjustments and changes along the way.

If anyone has any problems with the HTML on the homepage, please let me know asap. Outside of StickyMail, the entire board now validates as HTML 4.01 valid by the W3C validator.

The Old homepage is still there. It is linked on the right under "Forum Index" at the top of the forums list.




 5:09 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nice! Absolutely perfect with 800x600. The three featured posts on the left are a perfect fit, and on the right, the whole first section shows, plus the heading from SEO World.

I like the colors, and the slight value variation. The eye normally moves to the left to start reading with Western languages, so the little darker shade of lavender on the right side section headings works perfectly to attract the eye. Nice balance.

I think it's a very effective arrangement on the featured posts with the layout and font sizes. There's a good balance in emphasis.

Is it my imagination, or is it much faster loading? I'm on a 56K.

Nice, very nice!


 7:57 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Wow - Big Changes....
Overall i like it but i think the font size for the news and active post list is a bit large (im running at 1024x768). The font for the forum index is just right for me though others may disagree.
Will know more as i use it day to day.

Must be a nervous time when you decide to publish such a major overhaul to such a much loved and well used site....

Best of luck with it!


 8:57 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm getting some kind of serifed font on the forum page i.e. the old homepage for the smaller comments under the forum title. Not as readable as before.

Cool new frontpage, a big search engine hit, taken with the first coffee of the morning and I'll be buzzing all day. Highlighted posts made me click on a few forums I don't normally visit (more lost time at work I fear.)


 9:04 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Like it , much better access to all the sections. Especially like the right hand nav column

But as an earlier post said i think the font size for the 'highlighted posts' is too big.

Also I was just wondering why you were using font tags when I see you are using a style sheet.

and in the right hand col the cells repeat the widths ie 75% when you only need to do it once in a cell and the others will inherit this size.

eeek, well you did say you wanted commens on the HTML ;)


 9:08 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just a small thought. You might want to consider branding the page a bit more. Make the logo bigger, like SlashD, so that people remember where they got all the good information and advice from and come back or recommend the site by name.


 9:10 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

A massive improvement.


 9:49 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

>font size for the news and active post list is a bit large

It's Verdana, which is about 20% wider than the Arial used elsewhere on the page. Font size appears to be the same, i.e. 2. Sans-serifs don't mix well with each other, so appearence would improve with Arial/Helvetica everywhere. Times does not render well (jagged if not bold) and so should not be considered.


 10:23 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

This page renders with a different font in the descriptions. Looks like times on my screen.


 12:13 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just a thought but what about having the right handed column on all pages?

that way it would be easy to jump from one forum to the next


 3:50 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

>Looks like times on my screen.

Mine too. A bit difficult to read.

Also: "Home" now means a different thing depending on where you are. The new convention Home:Forums:Forum:Discussion has not been deployed everywhere, so getting to the new front page can be a bit tricky.

Larvef The Wanderer

 4:05 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

A very good and intuitive lay-out on the main page. A really good work. At first the changes slightly overwhelm, but gradually you get used to the new lay-out. :)


 4:27 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Love it. A great way to make sure that good posts don't get missed!


 4:45 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Looks fantastic, love the whole layout. Nice touch to have the active posts listed as well.


 5:13 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

There is one small thing that makes me crazy.

After I read a post, or reply to a post, and I click on the "HOME" link in the blue bar at the top, it takes me to the old home page.

Then I have to go to the url and erase the url until I just have [webmasterworld.com...] so it will take me to the new page.

It makes me crazy.

And I agree about the logo needing to be bigger...
"Ain't nobody gonna blow your horn."


jeremy goodrich

 5:23 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

I like the way the best posts get the air time they deserve. It's been too easy for me lately to ignore at least half of what goes on, and even if I don't end up reading the other stuff, at least I get the highlights.

I love the new look. Great work, BT.


 6:54 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

I heartily second the idea of putting the right-hand forum list on every page of the site. It would really speed things up for us forum-jumping users!

Also... what's the ETA on updating the "home" links on the rest of the site? Have them point to www.webmasterworld.com/ instead of /index.cgi?


 7:06 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nice job! I like it a lot!


 9:31 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the support everyone.

I think I have that fixed grnidone.

I'll see if I can adjust the font size on the feature posts jimmykav.
The deal with the fonts is that I didn't used to use closing </font> font tags. That generally works, but I've found out it could mess up some browsers. So, closed all font tags, and made sure it validated. The descriptions on the forums index page are in Verdana. Don't like? Do like?

The right hand forum list is an idea. I fear the bandwidth hit. It would take 4k per page. Take that times 30-40k a day and you are into some serious bandwidth. I have a couple ideas I'm going to toy with though.


 9:45 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

The forum index (like the original homepage) is still rendering the forum descriptions in a serif font.

>Times does not render well (jagged if not bold) and so should not be considered.

rencke, you're right. I've particularly noticed that serf fonts are a problem with smaller font sizes. It's a shame, because they look so nice in certain colors on tinted backgrounds - they're just hard to read in smaller sizes.


 10:41 pm on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>I have a couple ideas I'm going to toy with though.

Is using frames one of thoses?

Some frametrick freak


 7:59 am on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Sorry, I'm not a frame kinda guy. Those would be out.


 12:56 pm on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Good decision to use a right hand navigation menu. Closer to the scroll bar and that makes sense.

But I have a question, if your code is W3C compliant, how comes it looks good on MSIE? :)


 6:05 pm on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well, I've since created 3 errors, with only 1 I'd consider fixing. The old & verses & amp ; in form strings. There are a few rare browsers who don't care for the amp; form.


 9:30 pm on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

>Sorry, I'm not a frame kinda guy.

I knew I liked you for a reason, BT ;)

>The right hand forum list is an idea. I fear the bandwidth >hit. It would take 4k per page.

What about just putting the right hand forum list *for that section* that you happened to be in.

So, let's say I am reading a post in the AV discussion. On the right side would be just the forums in the "Search Engine World" section.


PS And I do like new template..I realize I sounded negative before.


 11:09 pm on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hey Brett, using NS 4.77 and the new home page now seems to hang. I wait awhile, finally hit the "Stop" button, and then it displays. The rest of the forums are fine. I came in via the home page about an hour ago and saw this "hang." I was just on my way out and thought I'd check the news, same problem. Doesn't seem to be a connection problem. It acts like I've seen a missing or misplaced table tag act in NS.


 11:27 pm on Jun 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks. SEW is offline. There is a graphic being pulled. I'll switch that quick.


 12:12 am on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

>WebmasterWorld Highlighted Posts June 9, 2001

Is this the day from which the Highlighted Posts were drawn or the current date? If it is Current Date then I think it is pulling the date from the server and not from the members settings? It is a little confusing for those of us that are a day ahead...

All in all though a very usefull page. Although I do miss the "Red Balls" on the Fora List at the right.



 8:26 am on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi all!

The new page is fantastic: several information all in one page.

I use the old forum page only to reset the last read pointers; in the new page, you have not the possibility to do it: red pointers appear ever.



 9:07 am on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Angiolo, Thank you. There will be some changes to the "last read date" system. Some of the changes I just did were neccessary to prepare for that. I'm redoing that whole system of last read pointers.

As it is now, every forum that is displayed has to compare a date to a date in a cookie. That takes a long time and makes for a big cookie. The new system will instead be a single number that compares to the last read number on the whole system. Each forum will know what the highest serial number in it's forum is and compare from there. Much, much easier.

Woz, I am considering putting some new post markers on that list. It has been requested a few times. I'm not promising it, because it will require some industrial programming to get it right. And I'll look at the date issue too Woz.

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