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Google premoderation questions
metrostang




msg:506276
 4:03 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I posted to Google News a comment about seeing duplicate pages from the same domain in the #1 and #2 spots on numerious searches. These are searches I check daily and I hadn't observed this before.

Thought it was a noteworthy occurance and didn't mention any specifics. After 24 hours, post hasn't shown up. Should I expect to see the topic appear within that time if it's been accepted?

I haven't had a post rejected in the past and thought I had observed all the rules. Is Webmaster World getting more selective or too selective in what the moderators consider a valid post or am I just dejected because I was rejected? Wonder if this one will make it.

 

moneymancn




msg:506277
 4:30 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

If an exploanation is given,even an autoreply type that covers the supposed infringement that would be helpful.
Also it would ensure some consistency amongst the moderators which would help us learn fast(not talking about URL drps here)what is and is not acceptable.I know that the TOS are there to be read but who really reads them!
If you are a genuine member you may unknowingly breach them unless you have an actual example shown to you not simply just the post removed.

[edited by: Hawkgirl at 11:19 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2004]

Hawkgirl




msg:506278
 11:38 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good questions and thoughts.

As far as Google pre-moderation is concerned, an interesting discussion about this issue (including the overall rules as stated by Brett) can be found in this thread: Google Premoderation [webmasterworld.com]. The key to remember as you read this thread from June 2003) is that premoderation was started over a year ago in that forum because of our rapid growth and the number of people who were contributing similar ideas over and over again. Now, a year later, we have even more members in the Google News forum and so the repeats/dupes/already answered questions/non-issues are even more numerous.

If your post isn't accepted into the Google News forum, this is a signal for you to get back in there and read, read, read. Because that means the answer is here somewhere at WebmasterWorld. I know that searching for topics can be a little frustrating - there are so many great discussions that it's sometimes hard to track down exactly what you're looking for. This is where Google will come is as a valuable friend - use it to search for your topic on this site specifically and you should have some luck.

Please remember that starting a new topic that is ultimately not accepted by the Google mods is not a personal thing. It's an action taken to ensure that all of our members are reading the highest quality, most pertinent threads on the Google topic.

> I know that the TOS are there to be read but who really reads them!

Here at WebmasterWorld, it is an *expectation* of our members that you take a few minutes to read the terms of service [webmasterworld.com]. Whether you choose to think of it as an annoyance to have to read the rules or as a sign of respect that you're willing to take the time to learn the culture and expectations here to make sure that your experience and everyone else's at WebmasterWorld are positive ones - we need everyone to read the TOS and understand them!

> If an exploanation is given,even an autoreply type that covers the supposed infringement that would be helpful.

It would be a great thing to always have an explanation for an edit or premoderation action - but sometimes this isn't possible. The workload that the admins and Google mods have is unbelievable. (I think I'll ask Brett to dig around and find some stats so that you can understand the magnitude we're talking here, as far as number of new threads started that are repeats, etc. You'll be surprised at how much information comes pouring in that the Google mods and admins have to handle on an hourly basis!)

Always - if you have a moderation question about why a post was edited, removed or not accepted into a premoderated forum - ask the moderator of that forum or an admin. He or she will have the best explanation as to why something was done - and will be able to give you some pointers.

Thanks for asking the questions!

metrostang




msg:506279
 1:17 am on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Update on the topic. The post made it to the Google News forum 72 hours have I posted, placing it's first appearance on the 2nd page of topics.

It was placed in order by it's original posting time, not by when it was accepted. Obviously there have been no additional posts and there probably won't be if most folks check the forum daily by dates as I do.

mincklerstraat




msg:506280
 10:45 pm on Sep 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

That's certainly a worthy issue here. This is also likely to inspire more 'bumpity bump' postings, if your post doesn't show on the first page the moment it's posted. Although weeding through code is almost always tedious and nasty, it could perhaps go into a list of 'todos' on the forumboard - at least as an admin option, to experiment with the two. Otherwise, in Google News, the first page is more likely consist of the most popular really long threads, and the posts of the more ballsy people who dare to bump.

Must admit though, I've never had to wait *that* long for my posting to make it into that forum, and my postings usually do land above the fold on the first page when they do arrive. *Most posts* will get through on the first page, but indeed it's a shame for those which don't.

wruk999




msg:506281
 7:53 pm on Sep 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

sleepy,

I found this on the Google Forum Charter Page [webmasterworld.com]:

Type:
Premoderated. This means that every thread must be approved by a moderator before it is visible to everyone. Due to the number of posts in the Google Forum requiring pre-moderation, we are often unable to send notifications if a thread is not released for public viewing. Please see the guidelines below for some of the reasons why posts may not be authorized.

I personally think that this sums up the pre-mod process very well.

Cheers,
wruk999.

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