I think I got invited from the "other" forum - actually I think you, oilman, told me about this forum. I'm glad I'm here no matter how.
I clicked a link from another forum. The subject was being discussed in both forums. I got a LOT more information here.
Shadowed Brett from that "other place" and landed here. Haven't gone back....
At the time, I had not been focusing on SEO for my sites for a few years and had the following on my mind when I starting digging back into it, as I recall:
1) Why were some of my sites ranking well when they were admittedly Neanderthal relative to the most current SEO techniques of that time? (Answer: Themes.)
2) Scripted submittal and maintenance (Collective).
3) Better referral tracking software (Traxis)
4) Figuring that PFP was going to overtake the entire industry, I was looking for all the up-and-coming engines.
So I guess you'd say I first came in while tracking down "themes" -I had read a post in another forum referencing Brett's article.
But many of us flip though numerous forums daily and move on, what did (then) SEW have that made it different? (This is hard to articulate) I didn't stay because of themes or scripts, there were alot of "next-level SEO" and "industry trends" questions being addressed here. As you said, the group was small, but there was a very definite been there, done that manner about the place. Because of the veteran status many had, there was also a prevailing cut-to-the-chase attitude that didn't promote endless whining or "the sky is falling" rants when some SE decided to tweak its algo.
>Shadowed Brett from that "other place" and landed here. Haven't gone back....
Roger that. I followed a post that Little (?) put about a "new tool" that Brett had on his site. I had been hitting a brick wall with some of the optimization I had been doing and this was the only place my question got answered, not ignored.
I came here first. I don't remember how, except that it must have been an AV search. I was an avid AV user until switching to Google around July.
I honestly don't think I've ever spent more than 2 minutes at that "other place" I was just never able to follow it as well I guess.
Found a link to here in a post at 'the other place.' Glad I found it, too.
Where is the other place??
First, tell how you happened upon WmW, BoneHeadicus.
I found this place through Search Engine World, found SEW through this reference in my log files
Well it goze like dis...
I did some basic Flash intro's for a local "SEO" company. I never liked the dude but his money was green. Anyway I had never given seo a passing thought but I decided to use what I had seen this guy doing. So, upon "adapting" his metatags, I started to outrank his paying customers ( he was charging them $300 a month and all I did was copy his metas for the same results.) It dawned on me that he didn't really have a secret code developed by the same guy who invented nuclear submarines that only the search engines could see.(This is a true story-he really told people that)
Doggonnit if that derned secret code didn't give me away...if only I could have seen it. It seems that his legal department was monitoring the internet and picked up the fact that the secret code had been stolen and it appeared to be residing on one of my sites.
"We have a problem" is how I beleive the conversation started. During the course of the conversation over the hour, we discovered many truths about meta tag copyrights and how I was going to be sued. It seems there is a patent on the super secret disappearing computer code but when queried as to where I might view such a document it became clear that I had been outsmarted once again. The super-secret, disappearing computer code was safely tucked away in a category that no one would ever think to look for it in, alas, it was even guarded day and night by his brother-in-law who happened to work there in the US Patent Office.
What to do..what to do....I jumped on the net and started searching for search engine stuff and ended up at SEWa. Yes I dropped $70 and got the "insider" info and yes I feel really stupid now. But it opened the door for me into the world (or Black Hole) of seo.
So I promptly posted <!---> tags at the tops of my pages explaining the dangers of "companies that claim to have secret formulas" blah, blah, blah. There hasn't been any subsequent conversations with "MetaMan" or his "Legal Dept".:) heeheeeheehehaaahee
I have since learned that "MetaMan" was actually quite slick in his wording and the general public would never catch on. Whatever...he's the one who will answer for it one day. What he did was find a keyword phrase that sounds good but, in fact it never shows up, according to Wordtracker and the Brett tool. Of course he dominates that phrase.....ooooo I see now.
I wish "MetaMan" the best...he aint hurting my business none. I've gone on to bigger and better things. In the last six months I've come a long way. And since I've been reading this here forum, I is gittin' smarter 'n smarter. ;)
I beleive AIR gets the credit for me being here. I think from an email or something...don't honestly remember but I'm glad to hang out with ya'll.
Good 'nuff, rc?
I was looking at the buddy links program and was impressed with the honesty and professionalism of Brett when he closed it down.
put 2 and 2 together and thought that this forum must be professional too...
Quite some time ago I was fumbling around the internet looking for information about search engines and found Search Engine World. This was when there was still the SEW Forums (which eventually became "here"). I remember reading a post from some young chap about having nabbed a domain that had lapsed called "WebmasterWorld". He seemd quite please with himself as the previous owners had been NSI! I just said to myself "so what?", which shows my mental competance at the time regarding search engines and the likes.
Some time later, after having read and learned a lot, I stumbled upon WmW from Bretts profile over there. I put two and two together, realised that this is the best place for uptodate and professional information about SEs and Dirs, and havn't looked back.
"Buddy Links" from SEW.
Last year, I didn't know anything about optimization, and about the time I started my new job, I started learning a lot...then I heard about the "other place" from a coworker, and then started poking around there...it seemed a waste of time.
Then another coworker mentions this place, and when I got here, it blew me away. I started doing some free lance, and this became my new support group...I've tried to give as much as I get, but I know it's been one sided. I appreciate all the help I get, and in the back of my mind, I think maybe even by asking some of the questions I do, that it is helping somebody, because shouldn't we all be facing some of the same issues? The same annoying spiders?
The group here is amazing...and I appreciate all the contributors. In general, every time I post, I get great responses, and feel like on occasion, I've even helped a fellow or two.
I've looked at the other place a few times, but there really is no comparison. The cut to the chase comment by rcjordan was good, and I feel it fits very well.
I've been lurking ;) here for about 6 months now, but havn't had the Clout/Confidence to speak up for a while.
I thought meself as the "AltaVista Guru", Any site, any word- to the top 5 was my motto, but as SEO would have it ANYONE who calles himself a "Guru" just anit fit for the world of SEO.
That being said when i returned in the top 3 results for the term "shampoos" on AV then i felt better about posting here...
The info i have picked up here has helped me get in the top 3 for many terms.. Things I learned here i cant get anywhere else... Hat's off to WmW... :) and thanks for the help..!!!
I was admin on a board that was a spinoff from another (parent) board.
That (parent) board had somehow changed from an honest exchange of ideas to an ego contest where the truth was no longer the issue, but an "I'm-Right-And-You-Aren't" kind of place.
When it became obvious to me that the (parent) board was no longer a source of information, and when most of the knowledgeable people had fled, I spent all my time at the spinoff board.
When the spinoff began to suffer from a failure to thrive, a fellow admin pointed me here. :)
For the FULL story, read this thread: Why Is This Different? [webmasterworld.com]
That's great about AV but you don't have to be #3 to post at WmW.
We have been known to let a #5 post a time or 2 - JOKE :)
Just saw a reference to it the other day, actually I think I saw 2 references in one day and thought that it was time to take a peek. The 'other place' is still good. They complement each other pretty well. Only been here a day or 2 so it's hard to say for sure. So far so good though.
Followed a link from the other board one day. Happy I did.
lurked at other board for several years...and was told about this board by henki. Looks like all the pros are here now.
Edited by: bill
>Where is the other place??
Any place not here!
I don't remember how I found my way - but I remember thinking I'd found the SEO promised land once I saw who was here. :)
I've just always been here... While searching for an up to date list of spiders about two years ago, I came across Search Engine World, SEW had a small forum then. I recognized Brett (whom I highly admired and still do!), a few friends, and several others I regarded highly, all from other forums. I liked the maturity and intelligent level of discussion the board offered, a focus on "what's right" instead of "who's right," and the civility between users, so I just stuck around...
For me it was again a place with familiar voices. There were a lot of people here that I already knew and respected, I guess this is a place where we all are more comfortable. It is easier to think without all the noise.
Followed from "the other place".
In my opinion, the quality of a site is a direct reflection of the quality of the site owner/manager's character.
As you can imagine, this was a heart warming thread. Thank you everyone.
What can we do to make Webmaster World better?
Having got the basics of a website done (or so I thought!!) I started looking at SE reg. I enquired to WPG about their product and the new link popularity talk - they sent me a short email with 2 links to articles, a link there took me to a (well written) page on the closure of buddy links, then I found the SEW homepage and READ for about 8 hours solid, until 5 or 6 AM!! I found Brett's profile, emailed him and thanks for the invite Brett. Thanks also to everyone who has taken time to answer my, sometimes dumb questions. I am a learnin' fast.
>What can we do to make Webmaster World better?
How about a search facility that would display all relevant posts related to a keyword/topic from the Subject, Description and/or Post section of the entire forum.
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