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Pubcon is over for "now"
debrief time
Shak




msg:511953
 7:31 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

8.30 am > Hotel Lobby > London

Its all over baby, this time round.

Only a select hardcore team of members left, all asleep.

No doubt the full de-brief will be getting done once Dave_N wakes up.

all I can say is it ROCKED.....

Shak

(better go get some sleep, as have been awake for 26 hours straight).

 

Smiley




msg:511954
 7:47 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

you mean DaveN actually went to bed?

lazerzubb




msg:511955
 8:42 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can't really describe it, you had to be there, wicked fun though (All parts except the 4 am call yesterday)

Jenstar




msg:511956
 8:52 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

PubCon absolutely rocked. The opportunity to sit down at a table full of people who can discuss the nuances of all things WebmasterWorld is priceless. I saw very few glazed-over eyes this entire weekend, except for the gazes from the Thistle staff who were in shock at the staying power of the whole lot of us who were still awake (and functioning!) at 5am ;)

jpjones




msg:511957
 9:30 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Another top-class event, which was enjoyed by all I dare say! If you missed it, shame on you - Best be there for the next one!

Thanks to all involved in organising PubCon, the Thistle staff, the Thistle beer,soft-drinks,and coffee pumps, and all of you I had the opportunity talk with. Oh, and special kudos for whoever invented those energy drinks.

I got the vibe from people as they were leaving that they were charged up, their heads brimming with ideas, new opportunities and were just keen to get back to it again.

JP

Sinner_G




msg:511958
 9:49 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you missed it, shame on you

Shame on us, ok, but when and where do we get to see pics? :)

Jenstar




msg:511959
 10:00 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

when and where do we get to see pics?

You have to wait until the attendees have the opportunity to pay off the photographers with PR9 backlinks for those really bad "eyes-closed" or otherwise unflattering shots ;)

Marcia




msg:511960
 10:14 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to agree from being at the one in Boston, it's an absolutely wonderful experience, especially to meet all the people you've known for ages online and finally see them face to face.

>>If you missed it, shame on you - Best be there for the next one!

Well, not quite shame on us. I, for one, quite probably won't be at the next one and there's no shame to it. Unless there's one on the West Coast or no more than a 2 hour flight away, I'll be missing all of them in the future myself.

A lot of members can't for one reason or another, and for those of us who can't there's still plenty for us here like there always is, so we can cheer everyone on that does attend, because yes, they are great and anyone who can possibly make it definitely should!

But not everyone can, so I'd hate for those folks to feel like outsiders or left out or bad about it. We can still have fun and share with each other here at the board as we always have and still do, and enjoy hearing the stories and look forward to you guys sharing all the little secrets you picked up with us.

Oh yeah, we can't wait to see the photos of everyone with dark circles under their eyes half-way down to their chins from not sleeping. I made Scott take mine off-line after Boston because I looked like some walking dead creature from a horror movie that crawled out of a graveyard or a swamp in the Scottish moors.

Yes, we can't wait for the photos! :)

Calculus




msg:511961
 10:52 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can describe it very well.

Hire out a pub, and throw in a load of webmasterworld subscribers. That's it.

Sorry to sound downhearted but I wished someone had told me what to expect beforehand.

Sure it was good for networking if you knew people or had been around this business for a while, but if you were new like me and wanted to find out more, there weren't many if any like minded people there.

I got bored walking up to people and saying 'hi, what do you do, or can I ask you a question'. Once they found out I knew little or had little to offer most of them lost interest in me very quickly. It was like when you're at a party and the person you're talking to is always looking over your sholder to see if there's anyone better to talk to.

As for the stands, the google people didn't know anything, the altavista girl didn't know anything (she'd only been there a week). The Overature guy knew very little and didn't even have a business card. As for the E-Spotting team - very good, they knew their stuff alright.

My advice for the organisers is simple. Why not just arrange to meet in a large pub, make everyone pay for their beers and food (I'd have loved to have paid for my food on Saturday instead of the awful food we got) and then charge everyone a 10-20 donation. Also drop the Conference title because it's very confusing. Just call it how it is - A webmasterworld gathering in a pub.

TinkyWinky




msg:511962
 10:54 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well my status a "pubcon newbie" is no longer . Top fun and looking forward to next one (this time it'll be more than 20 minutes away from home so the hotel thing for me will be on!)

Shak - get some sleep! The piccies should be interesting...?!&^*%$%

:)

elgumbo




msg:511963
 11:14 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Calculus, sorry it didn't work out for you.

But as a newbie to this stuff myself, I have to say that I met some truly knowledgeable people who where only too happy to discuss strageties and swap ideas.

Particular thanks go to Jonser, Ebear, TallTroll (have a good holiday) and DougS (the trees around Islington will never look the same to me again ;) ) and anybody else who told me lots of stuff that alcohol and lack of sleep has made me forget.

A great weekend, it would have been even better if it hadn't have been for the nightmare 6 HOUR (!) train journey home. Thanks Railtrack.

Too early to know if I can get to Florida but I will definately be going to the next UK (/EU?) one.

creative craig




msg:511964
 11:38 am on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I thought of it as more of a networking chance than a fact finding mission. Thanks to edit_g, ppg, chris_f and Rossie and of course Shak for making me feel welcome, I didnt know anyone there at all, but that only lasted 20 minutes or so, I needed that time to work out what to ask for at the bar...!

Craig

Rumbas




msg:511965
 12:15 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Back in Denmark and as usual a great event. Met the ones I needed, the ones I didn't know but wanted to and the ones I should have stayed away from (you know who you are, you were the reason I didn't get any sleep and too much fluid, right Dave? ;))

All in all a true Pubcon and lived fully up to the other 4 I've been to.

Dreamquick




msg:511966
 12:16 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to say I really enjoyed myself over the PubCon weekend, I had a lot of fun, got to put names to faces, met a load of new people, made some good contacts and got a few new ideas and concepts to try out.

I thought that was a pretty good outcome for my first PubCon ... if I can get the cash together for Florida I look forward to doing it all again!

--

Calculus - Forgive me if this is a really stupid question but did you arrive just for PubCon on the Saturday or were you around in/at the Thistle for a few days either side of PubCon?

The Thistle was where all the real networking happened for me - I'm from a technical background but I liked being able to just sit, listen and absorb as the affliate & marketing guys talked. I found I couldn't do that at PubCon as easily as I could hanging out at the Thistle.

Finding a "niche" at your level can be tricky if your not a big marketer or at least into what webmasterworld's about, but it's not hard to corner one of the mods / senior members and simply ask "Hi, any idea who's good with XYZ?" and get pointed in the right direction.

- Tony

[edited by: Dreamquick at 12:18 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2003]

d_fused




msg:511967
 12:17 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)


I thought of it as more of a networking chance than a fact finding mission

I second you on that.

And that's why I am going to Orlando next year.

See you all there.

alex

[edited by: d_fused at 12:24 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2003]

Shak




msg:511968
 12:20 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can describe it very well.
Hire out a pub, and throw in a load of webmasterworld subscribers. That's it.

Sorry to sound downhearted but I wished someone had told me what to expect beforehand.

Sure it was good for networking if you knew people or had been around this business for a while, but if you were new like me and wanted to find out more, there weren't many if any like minded people there.

I got bored walking up to people and saying 'hi, what do you do, or can I ask you a question'. Once they found out I knew little or had little to offer most of them lost interest in me very quickly. It was like when you're at a party and the person you're talking to is always looking over your sholder to see if there's anyone better to talk to.

As for the stands, the google people didn't know anything, the altavista girl didn't know anything (she'd only been there a week). The Overature guy knew very little and didn't even have a business card. As for the E-Spotting team - very good, they knew their stuff alright.

My advice for the organisers is simple. Why not just arrange to meet in a large pub, make everyone pay for their beers and food (I'd have loved to have paid for my food on Saturday instead of the awful food we got) and then charge everyone a 10-20 donation. Also drop the Conference title because it's very confusing. Just call it how it is - A webmasterworld gathering in a pub.

You were obviously at a completely different venue and conference.

Shak

Rossie




msg:511969
 12:20 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to agree with Craig about the Pub Con being a chance to network / socialise with likeminded people rather than necessarily somewhere to find the answer to lots of questions. (Surely the online version is already pretty competent in that respect?)

I had a great time and felt kind of "inspired" by most of the people I met up with and conversations I was involved in - with special mention to chris_f, edit_g, johnser, creative craig, ppg and the incomparable Shak among many others.

Hopefully those of us who live in London will be able to meet up again soon for something smaller scale but similar.

Ross

Calculus




msg:511970
 12:37 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Tony

No, I live just north of London so didn't know/or go about the Hotel 2-3 days kind of thing.

I'm not so upset at what the pubcon thing was about, it's just I wish the format had been explained beforehand and what to expect.

Then I would have taken your excellent advice and made some pre-contact with the moderators and/senior members/members to have some sort of gameplan ready for the pub.

As it was I arrived off the street at 1pm, went inside and then said 'ok everyone's having a drink waiting for things to start'. But then I soon realised it had started.

creative craig




msg:511971
 12:52 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hopefully those of us who live in London will be able to meet up again soon for something smaller scale but similar.

Hope so :)

ogletree




msg:511972
 1:00 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I had a very good time. Actually by the time the actual conference came I was exausted. Except for eating lunch with Matt Cuts everything I got was before the event. I can understand how somebody who might be shy would be dissapointed. You had to be able to go up to people and talk with them. I am sorry Calculus that I did not ge to talk with you. I would have spoke with you. There were a few times in the bar that could not find a person to talk to. Most of the time I had no problem. Everyone was real nice to me. DaveN gave me some great advice even though it took me awhile to get past his drunken accent. I think he had had a lot by that time. I look forward to the next one. I am still in England enjoying a holiday. It is very cold and rainy up here in Northern England. I am having a hard time with this weird English keyboard.

heini




msg:511973
 1:06 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

the real 'pro' work done at SEO conferences is done at the bar after the seminars let out... we decided to cut to the chase and start at the pub ..

This what it's all about, and I truly had some mindblowingly interesting conversations.
One of the best things about such direct personal meetings is how it puts a new perspective to what you do on the web. Talking to real people from all angles of the industry just puts our weblives into a context.

It's a fantastic realitycheck on the one hand, and makes your head swirling with new ideas on the other hand.

Thanks to everybody I was able to talk to - you were great.

Dreamquick




msg:511974
 1:07 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Calculus

I was in a similar situation since this was my first PubCon - I could get into London by train really easily and thought about doing just PubCon but I asked on one of the boards and the response was an overwelming in favour of the Thistle.

Oh I didn't pre-arrange discussions at all, I don't plan that far ahead - I just spotted DaveN weaving his way back to the Cittie of York's bar and just asked him! (At least I think it was DaveN)

Maybe the whole "what is pubcon exactly? / how do i get the most out of it" question is something that needs to be pointed out a little more clearly for the next one?

- Tony

[edited by: Dreamquick at 3:36 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2003]

ogletree




msg:511975
 1:09 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

That may be hard to do because the next one is totaly different.

ciml




msg:511976
 1:18 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

calculus, all I can say is that it gets better each time. A few more familiar faces make it easier to slip into conversations; a better realisation that we're all just in it together makes it easier to walk up to people and say "hi".

mindblowingly interesting conversations

Me too. Thanks heini. :-)

Calculus




msg:511977
 1:22 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, look I don't want to give the impression that I'm a whinger - so let's look on the positive and create a gameplan for the future newbies.

1) Pubcon is purely a very informaL networking gathering held in a bar/pub. It is not a conference as such.

2) If you're coming to your first pubcon then you will get the best benefit by making contact with people beforehand and arranging to meet in person at the event

3) Contact the admins or senior members of WW if you need any help or advice as to who to meet/who is worthwhile meeting for your area of interest

4) Try and arrange or at least to be present to the gatherings on the day before and maybe the day after in the Hotel where most people are staying

5) Use your handle on your nametag

Follow these simple rules and you'll get a lot out of PubCon


ppg




msg:511978
 1:25 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, I had a fantastic time. I DID pick up some really valuable info, I DID make some contacts who helped me enourmously and will be following up on, but more than anything I just had a great time socialising with probably the nicest buch of people I've come accross in my life all in one place and at one time.

Thats what it was really about for me. I would still have considered it more than worth going along even if I didn't learn a bloody thing all weekend (like that could happen...)

Best thing I've taken home with me from pubcon: The confidence to have a go anything now.

Worst moment: Getting home on Sunday and finding out that the domain registrar who manages the company I work for's domain name had screwed up the zonefile and the website and email was down. Not at all funny when you're already suffering from sleep deprivation.

Most embarrassing moment: Introducing myself to Running Scared like I'd never met him before and then it slowly dawning on me that we'd already had a conversation the day before. Sorry mate! Thats what 3 nights of 3 hrs sleep each does to you.

Best moment: The whole 3 days!

I really can't mention anyone in particular for fear of missing anyone out, I was having enough trouble remembering 2 names for everybody as it was. But rest assured, if I had a conversation with you I REALLY enjoyed your company :)

ogletree




msg:511979
 1:28 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you were in the conference you would have seen a flier for the next conference. It is totaly different. It really is a real convference.

tosspot17




msg:511980
 1:38 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

4) Try and arrange or at least to be present to the gatherings on the day before and maybe the day after in the Hotel where most people are staying

Bingo.

For one reason or another, I ended up getting there at 3 on the saturday, and so just had that night to make the most of it all, but it was still very useful (thanks to everyone I drunkenly rambled at;)). Next time however, i WILL be coming a day/couple of days earlier and leaving later.

People were very friendly and if you looked lost then they'd grab you and introduce you to a few people (or shout TOSSPOT! at the top of their voice across the room - edit_g;)) and I got alot out of it.

I could have got more if i'd been there a bit longer, but you live and learn.

(Cheers to everyone who chatted to me about everything - good to put faces to nicks, and and ramble drunkenly about SEO to people who at least humour me and at best agree.)

Chris.

ppg




msg:511981
 1:45 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

lol, did you ever find the thistle after the cittie of york Tosspot? Last I saw you you were heading off in completely the wrong direction - I was shouting after you and George but I was so hoarse by that time anyway I don't think it had much effect...

And for the record - I think you've got a great nick :)

edit_g




msg:511982
 1:49 pm on Sep 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

or shout TOSSPOT! at the top of their voice across the room

he he. ;)

I can sum it up in one word: fantastic.

I've never been in one place with so many "on the ball" and welcoming people, ever. Thanks to everyone I talked to for putting up with me, everyone who was there and a special thanks to the people who organised it.

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