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miles




msg:509327
 11:06 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else found another forum that has new informaion and not so how shall I say tired?

 

fathom




msg:509328
 4:48 am on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else found another forum that has new informaion and not so how shall I say tired?

hmmm... miles are you saying members don't contribute anything of value to you here, or

you simply don't wish to take the time to look for anything of value?

or am I simply reading your post wrong (which can happen).

Might I suggest becoming a supporter > many discussions back there never get out here.

tigger




msg:509329
 5:04 am on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I suppose it depends on what information your looking for, I don't think you will find a more active form than WebmasterWorld

mil2k




msg:509330
 7:32 am on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Not to forget the quality of responses in many of the internal forums. If you have any problems or suggestions please use the WebmasterWorld Community Center [webmasterworld.com] to address those issues. :)

miles




msg:509331
 3:51 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Dont get me wrong I started in WebmasterWorld and for starting out it has had a good deal of information. But over the past year it has made a change and I dont know if its for the best. It seems to have the same information every week. A good many members contribute, but it is the same things as they were posting over 6 months ago. If the new members would do some digging in the archive it would be much better and waste less time and bandwidth.

As far a becoming a supporter I know a few guys who are and one of the moderators and it seems to be the same in that forum. So I have asked them how is the supporters forum different and they said that the people are a little more open about what the do and some of their tricks. I dont need to be spending all my time on the boards, I would not get any work done reading the same things from day to day. In addition to that I am not going to pay if the moderators who put so much time into the forum are not going to see any of that money. They deserve to be paid to deal with what they do each day.

As to making suggestions I dont think I will. All the things that I have said has been the same thing that has been for the past year.

I have noticed a change and the forum is not what it used to be.

DaveN




msg:509332
 3:56 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Found a Forum just testing the waters at the moment, Nothing over there that isn't over here in fact theres more over here, but a lot less noisy over there.

Did that make sense?

Also been asked to join another forum I didn't like that approach, so I'm still going to spend most of my time here and little bit elsewhere

Dave

BlobFisk




msg:509333
 3:59 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can't say that I agree with you, Miles. I don't go near the Search Engine fora, so I can't comment on those - but certainly within The Webmaster World there is still some fine posts and sound information coming out.

I can think of a number of the top of my head from the HTML and the CSS fora alone. Yes the same questions get asked, but you'll find that sometimes someone posts a new approach to dealing with the problem which may be slicker than the one you know yourself.

Can I suggest that if you want to freshen things up that you could start some threads on topics that float you boat, spark off a discussion on something. Don't forget that this is a community - and so you have a certain amount of input into what heppens here (vis a vis topics and discussions). It's important to remember that this is not a paid service.

Start a thread on something - I'll certainly reply to it if it's interesting.

Stephen Tiller




msg:509334
 4:08 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Talking of Forums, I would be very interested in how the webmasterworld forum works, technology used etc. My interest stems from a personal website that I am currently researching which will be very interactive but must be extremely user friendly.

The website may include various bulletin boards, weblogs etc. I have used Discuss and Snitz forums in the past but if my project is successful I will need to plan ahead which will require bigger backends than MS Access.

I suppose the answer is going to be SQL Server etc. Okay for work but not for my personal use.

Is there any middle ground?

Steve

Marketing Guy




msg:509335
 4:16 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Miles,

As with most sites, the mods and admin are volunteers.

I think it works well like that - people who are dedicated to the task are in the role. We have even seen some step aside as they could no longer allocate the time necessary to it.

I understand what you are saying, but that's just the nature of online communities.

IT moves fast and SEO has even over the past year become almost mainstream - it's not surprising that this forum is getting busier and busier.

In the same respect, it is equaly unsurprising that there are more and more people new to this industry who need the same help that most of us did when starting out.

But each case is different, so while they may be all asking the same questions, they are doing so in a different context, so a site search will not always provide adequate results.

Keep in mind, the majority of people who arrive here for the first time have searched for a solution to their problem and this site was the answer. A forum is there for people to ask specific questions - it's not a library.

Also, this site had to change. There is no way around that. It had to grow over the years. More people had to contribute. It's a community. That's how they work.

Had WW not have changed over the years, then it wouldnt be here at all, because a community needs to grow to survive.

So what? You are prepared to post asking if there other forums you could go to, moan about this one then not bother to offer feedback or suggestions?

Why even bother posting that?

Perhaps you may consider for a second, that it is not the forum that has become tired, but it is in fact you that has become tired of the forum?

Maybe you have learned all you can from this forum and it's time to move on - Im sure there are many others in your position who have learned more than they need from here - but most of them hang around to give some of it back.

Scott

creative craig




msg:509336
 4:19 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Scott, and there was me going to ask for a pay rise ;)

Marketing Guy




msg:509337
 4:20 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Get back to work. You have 15 hours left on your shift. :P

Brett_Tabke




msg:509338
 4:47 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

> But over the past year it has made a
> change and I dont know if its for the best.

We don't drive the industry, we mostly reflect it. Many of the changes you have seen here are a reflection of the same issues going on in the search and webmaster space.

The old free candy we became used to (se's) has continued to push into paid space. That in turn has left alot of webmasters and site owners grasping, desperate, and yearning for the days of old. We have a moderate percentage of members who are stuck in 1998-99 and they still haven't come round to the realization as to what has happened in the search space.

>duplicate topics

We are testing a solution [webmasterworld.com] to that problem and it seems to be going very well.

> Has anyone else found another forum that has new
> informaion and not so how shall I say tired?

Hmmm, lets see, in the last 24 hours:

We've had a software engineer for a major search engine answering your direct questions [webmasterworld.com]. Flatout unprecedented in the history of seo.

We've also had a fairly high level debate on the role of search engines in the public sector [webmasterworld.com]. Some fascinating and fresh points of view came out of that one.

We had 4 people that had tried a total of 12 times to get their site listed in the ODP and were successful after a little help from a WebmasterWorld supporters ODP thread [webmasterworld.com].

We've been here for close to 4 years doing the same thing and the overall value to webmasters of the forums has never been better. I am extremely pleased with where the forums are at this point, the direction they are taking, and the super future ahead.

miles




msg:509339
 5:11 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Marketing Guy you have a few points, but on some you are off.

On: "But each case is different, so while they may be all asking the same questions, they are doing so in a different context, so a site search will not always provide adequate results." You are on the money here.

"Maybe you have learned all you can from this forum and it's time to move on - Im sure there are many others in your position who have learned more than they need from here - but most of them hang around to give some of it back." In relation to my field maybe. Grandpa told me you need to learn something new every day, when you stop learning you are either dead or a fool. I am looking for something new to learn.

Off: "Keep in mind, the majority of people who arrive here for the first time have searched for a solution to their problem and this site was the answer. A forum is there for people to ask specific questions - it's not a library." It has been asked and complained about several times, that forum members not post the same things time and time again. Example look at merged threads particularly in the google section. If I have a question, in most cases, about something I look in the archives and then ask if there is no answer.
"So what? You are prepared to post asking if there other forums you could go to, moan about this one then not bother to offer feedback or suggestions?" Nope. In fact I would point someone here if they needed to learn the basics or if they needed something that the particular forum did not provide. If someone needs something I point them in the right direction not hide it in a condescending manner. In most cases I dont see how much havoc I can cause with the intention of being evil.
"Perhaps you may consider for a second, that it is not the forum that has become tired, but it is in fact you that has become tired of the forum?" I have grown tired of the same thing being posted 300 times in one month. Look at the google forum and get back to me about this one. I am not the only one either. If someone asks and I know something I will pipe up and give the answer or what has worked for me in the past 3 years as a webmaster.

I am certian I dont have all the knowledge I need to be a superman in the Webmaster area of life. I know this to be true. I am looking for something a forum that is for those who need more than just the basics.

miles




msg:509340
 5:41 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Brett I know you and the moderators have done a wonderful job of offering a free service to a vast majority of webmasters. Webmastering has gotten interesting knowing who, why, where and all the other questions we have from time to time. However, there is nothing new under the sun. What has been covered will be covered again. Hopefully the Moderators dont get worn out from looking over all the posts.

I am very greatful that GG has decided to keep contact with the webmasters. A few of the answers seem to be focused on Black Hat Webmasters. Or people wanting to know when the next update is going to happen. Those are somewhat useful. It seems that a good deal of what he said is common sence "One point is that it's much better to go after types of spam than individual sites." Going after specific sites will do you no good you have to go after the types of spam so you can eliminate the particular types of spam. I reckon I will ask him a question here in a few minutes.

I am not looking at this request like this "Diplomacy is a way of saying nice doggie till you can find a stick." I am just asking for something a little more advanced, thats all.

creative craig




msg:509341
 9:48 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Making your Site Accessibile [webmasterworld.com]

Brett, dont forget this thread by BlobFisk, one of the best I have seen not related to SEO in a very long time!

Craig

Brett_Tabke




msg:509342
 11:05 pm on Jun 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Miles, that is why we have been pushing the 'newsie' angle more than just tips and tools.

Stephen Tiller




msg:509343
 4:27 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

As a newbie I would like to add my point of view.

I find it essential that anybody can ask a similarly already asked question without searching the forum archives. I joined the webmasterworld forum recently as it was recommended to me by word of mouth but more importantly I needed a quick response and to date I have not been disappointed.

I also know that if I ask a similar/topical question I will be redirected to where the question has already been asked and invariably answered by a fellow forum member or a moderator. In a way this might make us a bit lazy to search for our answers knowing this.

As to the forum getting tired it is up to members to keep it fresh and possibly add their own ideas for improvements. If anything the biggest drawback I have is it is too big, but by know means am I complaining.

Back to my initial point of searching the forums before asking a question. Last week I needed a quick answer and I knew it would be answered quickly within these forums. This week I have had time to read up on some of the forums in particular Google News. I have researched everything about search engines in the last 2 days (before I had never been that interested).

So there I was all clued up but for one thing how to actually find the PageRank bar. The Google posts all referred to it but I did not know it existed on the Google toolbar and nowhere was it mentioned in Searchengineworld.com and I could not find the answer searching for it in the forums.

My point here is I deliberately did not want to ask the question where it was for 2 reasons. One I had time to search the forums and two I didn't want to look silly!

Well that's me done for the day, I'm going home now

Steve

p.s. I found it in the end by searching "google toolbar" on google! As with everything, obvious when you know!

visibot




msg:509344
 11:48 am on Jun 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Geez - my experience is quite different. To me there's so much knowledge in these forums that I'd need a few lifetimes to get to it all.

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