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ADSL now #1 for broadband connection in the Netherlands
ADSL 951,000 subscribers; cable 940,000 subscribers
takagi




msg:496889
 3:59 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

The number of cable broadband connections in the Netherlands showed a positive development with an increase of 23.7% in 2003, however the number of ADSL subscriptions more than doubled in 2003, outnumbering cable connections at the end of 2003.
Source: ADSL outnumbers cable in 2003 in the Netherlands [telecom.paper.nl]

Meer internetgebruik via adsl dan kabel [nrc.nl] (Dutch)

Meer aansluitingen via adsl dan kabel [nu.nl] (Dutch)

 

heini




msg:496890
 5:32 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's a trend in many western European countries, ADSL connections have become relatively cheap, and once a user, be it corporate or home user, has surfed at DSL speed there's no turning back.

The good thing is that DSL users tend to spend much more time on the web.
I also suppose - but have no backing for that assumption - that DSL users are more adventurous, when it comes to surfing: taking a short look at a site or page doesn't cost any time or money.

louponne




msg:496891
 10:15 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, DSL has really taken off in France too!

conor




msg:496892
 10:41 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

DSL penetration in Spain is very high too and continuing. ADSL starts at 10 euros a month, including free router!

mistah




msg:496893
 10:52 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're looking at at least 30 Euros / month in the UK (unless you count Tiscali's midband offerings). If they could get it down to 10 Euros in the UK everyone would be using it.

WebWalla




msg:496894
 11:45 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

DSL penetration in Spain is very high too and continuing. ADSL starts at 10 euros a month, including free router!

I don't think you'll get a 24-hour broadband (256Kbs) ADSL connection for 10 euros per month. Typical prices in Spain for such a connection are around 40 euros per month.

running scared




msg:496895
 12:09 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does it really need to come down to 10 euros a month? Surely those who have any interest in the web will be running up dial up bills of 10 euros a month min and that the extra for the extra speed is not a major cost?

mistah




msg:496896
 12:22 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

No, it doesn't have to come down to 10 Euros per month. But 30 Euros is still to high for mass take-up, especially with the 12-month minimum contact. I still haven't got broadband at home because I'm planning to move in a few months. I phoned British Telecom to ask if I would be able to transfer my contract to another line, but they said it was not possible. Therefore, I'd effectively be paying £240 for two months broadband access.

pardo




msg:496897
 1:34 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Very satisfied with ADSL in the Netherlands (KPN-network), € 26,00/month for 1.024 Kbs (promotions currently running at € 14,95 for the same packages...)

Great future, expect more download capacity for the same price very soon (have been done twice the last couple of months...) and VERY stable connection.

Rumbas




msg:496898
 2:37 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah, broadband's big here. In Denmark we've had it for a long time. I started on DSL cabel +4 years ago, now running 3mbit wireless a home. Reasonable price, and dropping frequently too :)

leoo24




msg:496899
 2:52 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

i've had 24/7 adsl in spain for over 3 years now :) but we have the most expensive dsl in europe :(

RonPK




msg:496900
 5:12 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I wonder what will happen when the cable companies react to the lowering of ADSL prices by increasing cable speed. Cable *can* be much faster than internet over a copper telephone line.

kapow




msg:496901
 5:21 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can anyone post comparision percentages of 56k to broadband for any countries? e.g.

Place...56k...Broadband
UK......xx%...x%

We design websites to work on 56k because thats the majority of the market. The high cost of broadband is holding the internet back. Much more would be possible when 50%+ of those online are on broadband.

jmbishop




msg:496902
 7:32 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Couldn't the increase in ADSL over cable be attributed to the fact that Europe lacks the cable infrastructure and has a higher usage of satellite?

pardo




msg:496903
 9:09 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

...lacks the cable infrastructure and has a higher usage of satellite...

As far as I know we have one of the best structured networks of cable over here in the Netherlands (for the radio and televison I still use the cable...) so that can't be the reason...

kapow




msg:496904
 10:00 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've heard less than 5% of the UKs online public are on braodband. Does anyone here know if that is true?

heini




msg:496905
 10:23 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

>satellite
ADSL is one of the xDSL technologies, where data are transmitted via conventional telephone lines. The acronym stands for 'Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line'. Asymetric because downstream rates are much higher than upstream rates.

bluelook




msg:496906
 11:02 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Here in Portugal a 512 kb´s ADSL or Cable connection cost 34.99 Euros (20 Gb national traffic, and 2 Gb international). If you want unlimited traffic, it will cost around 50 Euros.

UMTS is comming soon, so for now, if you want a broadband connection you must have a phone line (rent: 15 Euros a month) or a cable connection (15-20 euros a month).

So here, if you want to have a broadband connection, you´ll have to pay around 50 euros a month (minimum).
Not a bargain, if you see that minimum wage here is around 365 Euros, so a broadband connection costs more than 10% of some people´s salary...

Even so, ADSL & Cable connection are everywhere here, so people really like internet.

bluelook




msg:496907
 11:05 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

jmbishop, here in Portugal, that is a small country (10 million habitants) right next to Spain, we have cable everywhere, and almost noone still uses it´s sattelite dish (I don´t use mine for more than 5 years).

Cable was the first broadband connection here, but many people are moving to ADSL connections because for now they are a bit more stable. It seems the cable providers have too many clients, and not enough upgrades.

I have ADSL for a couple of years now... What I really want is UMTS (it´s already here, but they charge for kb, not a monthly value).
In the 2º Semester there will be a provider here offering UMTS connection at a fixed price.

Now I´m thinking of moving to another house, and I´ll have to cut the phone line, adsl subscription, etc etc
If I had an UMTS connection I wouldn´t have to do anything.

TravelWebDude




msg:496908
 5:20 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

In the UK, the range of DSL options has been somewhat muddled by the likes of Tiscali (who offer a "Broadband" service that's £15.99 per month but only 3x faster than a normal dial-up i.e. 150kbps).

Take up is much improved over the last year, although rural areas of the UK are unlikely to see DSL (via their normal phone lines) for the foreseeable future.

Indeed, if you're don't have cable or a suitably equipped local telephone exchange, then alternative options are limited to satellite connections or, in the case of Southern Electric Broadband, high-speed Internet access through your home/business electrical sockets. Extended reach products have now also been introduced, although upload speeds are affected.

The situation in the UK is further complicated by the fact that BT owns much of the network needed for ADSL. Hence, whilst other ISPs do offer broadband services (often with better customer support), part of their monthly subscription fee goes into BT coffers.

Herenvardo




msg:496909
 9:31 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, bluelook, we're near ;)
I'm in Spain. Here, if you use a dial up connection, you pay only 18€/month or even less. I work with ADSL, paying 'bout 38€ (+16%) for a 256kbps connection. There are also offers like ADSL 128 + local phone calls for 27.30€, or ADSL 256 + national + provincial+ local phone calls for 48.93€ (+16%). Instead, I don't know about anny cable offer, nor wich companies offer cable connection.
I supose that in other parts of Europe it happens like that.

Herenvardö

bluelook




msg:496910
 12:34 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Herenvardo!

>The situation in the UK is further complicated by the fact that
>BT owns much of the network needed for ADSL.

The same happens here in Portugal, and some ADSL providers stopped accepting new signups, because they said they were loosing money. They had to pay most of the $ to Portugal Telecom (who owns the infrastructure). Some controversy here...

So they are making their own infrastructure, using UMTS (up to 1500 kbps) or Powerlines. A lot of things are going to change here...

Skylo




msg:496911
 6:41 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

In South Africa, I pay around 1000 rand per month for a 3MB download a month limit, ADSL connection. At the current exchange rate that is....... 120 euros and 80 pounds a month. But I am connected all day and still have never run over my limit in a month. This is over 2 years of connection and 3 - 4 hours a day just surfing.

Pricy yes but well worth it:)

RonPK




msg:496912
 11:49 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Skylo, are you sure about the 3MB? If so, I'll move down to SA asap and start my own ISP!

Leosghost




msg:496913
 12:31 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi all ..
current french prices are pretty much the same no matter who you go with cept for the France telecom service which is the highest of the bunch ....
average 128 to 150kb ...practically non existant ..
average 512 ....15€ per month
average 1024....20€ per month
average 2meg ....25€ per month

france telecom is at least 10€ per month higher for each of these bands ...
rural communities don't expect it if your local mayor doen't pressure to have it ...

BTW ...no proxies of any sort will work on french networks ....the connection to ISP is "disallowed" at the log on ..so "steg" etc just are non starters ..and adsl modem boxes are configured to block them all ..Big brother t'ecoute..et donc tu ne doit pas cryptez!
Technically under national law all websites and their content should be submitted for official approval prior to upload ...Corse no one does but it is the law ..

Skylo




msg:496914
 6:50 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry RonPK. I actually meant 3GB limit, but for downloads per month. I thought this was pretty standard world wide. My uncle in england had a dedicated ISDN line at his home for like 20 quid a month

Crush




msg:496915
 12:08 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

We have offices in 4 countries in Europe and I can tell you the most expensive is Poland.We pay 400 euro for a buiness line of 1 meg.

I do beleive for home use you can 512 kb for the same price as most people here around 30-40 euros.

Would be interesting to see what you guys pay for a business line with 24/7 support

jonki




msg:496916
 11:14 am on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

In Spain we can actually surf 1024kb/s DSL
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Jonk

[edited by: Rumbas at 11:22 am (utc) on April 21, 2004]
[edit reason] No URL's please. Thanks. [/edit]

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