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Council of Europe vs. European Union
What's the difference?
bakedjake




msg:494295
 10:51 pm on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was researching some privacy laws, and the Council of Europe has different laws than the European Union, apparently.

Can a European give me the quick version on what they are and on the differences between the two? I know what the EU is (I think), but I'm not familiar with the Council of Europe. They're both have .int domains, which means they're both recognized as international organizations with some sort of diplomatic purpose.

 

bcolflesh




msg:494296
 10:56 pm on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

More confusing is that there is a Council of the European Union as well that isn't related to the COE:

europa.eu.int/institutions/index_en.htm

choster




msg:494297
 11:01 pm on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Council of Europe is one of the bodies which constitutes the European Union. If it has different rules from "the EU," I would surmise that the rules are for its own institutions, not for the member countries. The U.S. Senate could require that all Senate committee and Senator websites required a fuschia background, but that would not be the same as requiring all websites in the United States to have a fuschia background.

bakedjake




msg:494298
 11:04 pm on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

BTW - I understand your analogy, and it's a good one, thanks. But I'm still confused. You say:

Council of Europe is one of the bodies which constitutes the European Union

According to them [coe.int]:

The Council of Europe is the continent's oldest political organisation, founded in 1949. It: [...] is distinct from the 15-nation European Union

Is the CoE just deprecated in favor of the EU? If not, why the autonomy?

choster




msg:494299
 11:11 pm on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oh, sorry. Council of Europe, not Council of the European Union. bcolflesh was spot on.

Well, it's a good question. If the US is both a member of the OAS and of the OECD, who "wins" if they make a contradictory rule?

Google turned up this presentation: www.stanhopecentre.org/ict/materials/eu_coe_policy.ppt

HitProf




msg:494300
 10:14 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Council of Europe has more to do with "democracy and human rights, social cohesion, the security of citizens and democratic values and cultural diversity". Used to help eastern European countries to become democratic.

The EU is all about justice and economincs. The EU regulates about everything, from the size of standard boxes to VAT percentages. Democracy and some other values are required to become a member.

added: [en.wikipedia.org...]

HitProf
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Fischerlaender




msg:494301
 5:08 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was researching some privacy laws, and the Council of Europe has different laws than the European Union, apparently.

My advice is to research the privacy laws of the countries you're trying to do business with. There is no such thing as an "EU law" at the moment - the EU passes a directive, which is adopted to national law by all of the 15 national parliaments within a given period of time. The national laws can vary in some (important) details, even if they are built on the same directive.

Think of the European Union as a federation of independent countries who are slowly integrating with the intention to become a single country. (At the moment there are negotiations about a single constitution for the EU.)

The Council of Europe however is a loose union of countries, comparable to the UN or the OECD.

sovidiu




msg:494302
 12:02 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Council of Europe is like the board of directors in a large corporation, in this case for the European Union. One member forwards suggestions, and the other representants inside the Council analyze and bring value onto it. Afterwards, each country modifies the new directive according to its internal laws. Acting as "affiliates", European Union members-wannabes also modify the directive and asimilate it without having the right of modifying it inside the European Council.

Fischerlaender




msg:494303
 11:25 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

sovidiu,
I think you're mixing up the "Council of the European Union" and the "Council of Europe". Whereas the "Council of the European Union" can be viewed as the board of directors, the "Council of Europe" is a multi-national organisation like the UN or the OECD.

percentages




msg:494304
 12:04 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The EU is beef gravy....the EC is chicken gravy :)

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