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Differences between Google.com and Google.be
Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 10:46 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

I have a question about something I just found out:

When I go to Google.com and I enter:
keyword1 keyword2 site:.be , my site is highly positioned.

When I go to Google.be and I enter:
keyword1 keyword2, my site is on page 6.

Is there any reason why .com gives me better results than .be?
Has this something to do with different datacenters?
Are there any threads covering this one? I searched the forum but did not find any answers....

thx in advance!

 

vitaplease

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Msg#: 589 posted 10:48 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

check this thread, are you dealling with travel related subjects?

[webmasterworld.com...]

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:04 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thx for the info Vitaplease!

And no, my business isn't the travel sector. It's more general...

The pain is indeed: I'm very high (1st for 2.5 bil) on .com (kw site:.be) but very behind on .be.

I've put all my time SEF my site, always checked on .com and today I must say I'm a bit down :-(

heini

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:07 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>eyword1 keyword2 site:.be , my site is highly positioned.

Not sure if I understand you here. On Google.be you choose the search option: worldwide? Or sites from Belgium?

glengara

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:17 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Is the site hosted in Belgium?

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:33 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini >>
== On Google.be you choose the search option: worldwide? Or sites from Belgium?==

My google preferences are: show pages in English and Dutch.
And on Google.be I choose: show pages from Belgium. (I indeed forgot to mention this)
In this case I'm lowly positioned.

Glengara >>
The sites are indeed hosted in Belgium.

thx for your responses! :-)

vitaplease

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:36 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ambiorix,

check this thread as well:

[webmasterworld.com...]

do you have multilingual content?

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:49 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Vitaplease,

thx for the extra link, just read it.
And no, my site is not multi-langual. I guess that if I'll have to create one I'll do it on a seperate domain.

BTW I see you're a Dutch neighbour :-) Off topic question: do you have any information on the search behavior of the internet users in the Netherlands or the Benelux? We over here in Belgium are always 2 years behind the rest... *evil grin* We don't have any info on what market share Google has over here....

BTW2 My greatest competitors are always .nl sites :-)

glengara

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Msg#: 589 posted 12:00 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Had a look at G.be, seems a bit complicated.
Does 'pagina's in het Nederlands' mean pages in Dutch or pages from Holland?

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 12:36 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Glengara >>

There are 3 radio buttons on G.be

1) het Internet (no probs :-)
2) pagina's in het Nederlands = pages in Dutch = all pages written in Dutch but can be on .net, .com, .be, .nl ....
3) pagina's uit BelgiŽ = pages from .be domains

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:08 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I did some more testing and it's all in the addition of 'site:.be' in de search box.

A) On Google.be, with radio button 'pages from belgium' and for KW1 KW2 => site is not found on 5.200 results
- In the results we have .net and .com sites also...
- nr1 => 404
- nr2 is a German site
- there are even canadian sites in the results
=> pages from Belgium?

B) Same test but for KW1 KW2 site:.be => 7th place on 3.120
Results are only .be sites, that's normal I restricted to .be domains.

This is puzzling me. When I do my optimalisation I always checked on Google.com with site:.be because I was in the assumption that these results would have been the same as if I would use Google.be...

So in case A: how can Google know if a .com or .net site is Belgian or not? Is this only based on where the hosting company is resided?
How come that German or Canadian sites are shown even when I click the 'only belgian pages' radio button?

Am I goofy?

I'v read and re-read all links about foreign languages but I'm still in a dark room... and now I understand why my visitorsnumber are a bit 'low'...

I'm highly positioned on google.com site:.be but nowhere to be found on google.be

Guess I should do only SEO for .com sites :-)) and move to the US... :-))

heini

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:12 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ambiorix, I have spent some time looking into this. Result: I am as puzzled as you.
I would seriously claim that Google's way of determining the origin of sites as shown on their "pages from countryX" option is
a. in transition
b. seriously flawed

It's not only for Boogle Belgium true, but for Google.de too.
Something is happening here.

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:18 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini >>

It would be a nice one if we would have found a flawn that Google isn't aware of :)

Imagine: GG reads this thread and Google finds indeed a glitch... I would feel very proud you know :) For a little Belgian SEO'er...

In this case it is indeed Boogle.be instead of Google.be *lol*

jmccormac

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Msg#: 589 posted 11:41 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I would seriously claim that Google's way of determining the origin of sites as shown on their "pages from countryX" option is
a. in transition
b. seriously flawed

It seems to be that way on all Google country level versions. Basically (from research I've been doing on the localisation of results) Google and some of the other SEs decide on whether a site is relevant to a particular country by checking the IP on which it is hosted and also on the cctld country code. With extreme cases like Ireland where 50% of Irish websites are hosted on non-Irish IP ranges, the country level results can have a high error margin. The same thing applies to most countries in Europe as many sites are hosted in the US or elsewhere. Thus the sites hosted outside of the country would fall in that error margin. If they are not linked to related sites, then the linking algorithms that Google uses may not pick them up at all.

Ironically the work I've been doing concentrates on exactly this problem. I e-mailed Google about it a few weeks ago but never heard back. Right now, I think that Europe and its multitude of domains is going to be the Achilles Heel for Google.

Regards...jmcc

gsx

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Msg#: 589 posted 12:51 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you type site:.be you only have Belgian sites (with the .be domain extension)

If you select Belgain sites only from Google.be, you get sites that have the extension .be, but you ALSO get sites hosted in Belguim with non-geographic domains (.com, .net, .org). There will be more sites in this search.

Ambiorix

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Msg#: 589 posted 1:30 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

GSX >>

That's normal indeed and that's what I meant in msg#11 "Results are only .be sites, that's normal I restricted to .be domains."

But!
When I'm restricted to .be domains I'm nr 7 and when it's not restricted I'm number 550 and this is not normal.

Believe me when I tell you that the 543 sites above me are not as relevant or SEF as mine :) It's as if I get Google results ano 1999 with all possible Google no-no's and spamming inside those sites....

heini

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Msg#: 589 posted 3:00 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jim, I'm aware of the situation in Irland. I tend to think however across Europe the situation varies.

For Germany for example hosting location mostly does not seem to come into play, i.e. sites hosted outside Germany are still shown, even though in AOL the Google db appears to be filtered very strictly for IP/nameserver location, whereas TLDs are completely disregarded.
No reason, no rhyme.

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