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Denmark - Danmark #1 [locked]
8 search engines, 5 directories
rencke




msg:494032
 3:55 pm on Oct 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Denmark - Danmark
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): dk
Online population: 2,3 million (Sep 2000)
Native language(s): Danish, Faroese, Greenlandic, (small German minority)
Understanding of English: Very high
Hosts in domain: 369.684 (Jul 2000)
Pages in language: 1,4 million (Sep 2000, all domains)
Pages in domain: 2,5 million (Sep 2000, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page

Known general search engines:

Albot [albot.dk]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: 250.000 unique visitors/month Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own
Meta description used in search replies: No! First 250-300 user viewable characters incl. ALT.Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes. Very important. Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Big on link popularity. Important to have good ALT-description for images since they may be shown in search results. Default SE for TV2 home page and used by Sonofon, one of Denmark's biggest GMS providers. New and still unknown to the Danish public.

Altavista [dk.altavista.com]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: New!

Everyday [search.everyday.com]
Language interface: Danish, Swedish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Inktomi Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Ultra slow server

Kvasir [kvasir.dk]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: #2 with 446.000 unique visitors per week. Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Fast. Uses Fast main index for global searches, own for local. Meta description used in search replies: No. Uses first text found on page.
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: No Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Keyword density in text - the higher the better. Directory service from LookSmart. No submission possibillities for LookSmart in Scandinavia yet (mid Nov 2000), but will be supplied through Kvasir. Submission to Kvasir via Fast.

Lycos Denmark [dk.lycos.de]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Direct Hit believed to serve first 3 listings on page 1.

MSN Search [search.msn.dk]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: Yes Search technology: Inktomi with Looksmart for directory services.
Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: Slightly Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Keyword in linktext: Yes Other: Uses Internet keywords from Realnames.

Opasia [opasia.dk]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: #3 with 320.000 unique visitors per week Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Thor [danielsen.com]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Altavista Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Old database.

Known general directories:

Aeiwi [aeiwi.com]
Language interface: English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Jubii [jubii.dk]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: #1 with 860.000 unique visitors/week. 50% of SE market Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: Yes Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: No
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: No Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: No Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: 5 keywords can be chosen when submitting a site

Yahoo Denmark [dk.yahoo.com]
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: Believed to rank 3rd after Jubii and Kvasir.

Leitel (Faroe Islands) [leitel.fo]
Language interface: Faeroese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

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Rumbas




msg:494033
 8:49 am on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Jubii
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: LARGEST! Half of volume in Denmark Local language(s) required: YES Local domain(s) only: YES Search technology: DIRECTORY Meta description used in search replies: NO
Things that help ranking: Local language: YES Local domain: YES Keyword in URL: YES Keyword in title: NO Keyword in description: NO Keyword in meta keywords: NO Keyword in header: NO Keyword in 1st paragraph: NO Other: Directory with possibillity to choose 5 keywords with submission

rencke




msg:494034
 1:05 pm on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Mange tak, Rumbas and welcome to WebmasterWorld. We're glad to have you join us and hope that you will like this forum. There is quite a lot to read here as you can see. (As of last week - 17.000 postings in all of the forums together and the board is only a year old.)

I will update the board with your info on Jubii later today. Have you got anything on Jubii ranking patterns and on the other Danish engines? Like Kvasir <provocation> or shall we leave that to Mikkel Svendsen? </provocation> He is a frequent visitor at WmW I have noticed, particularly in the Cloaking forum.

Rumbas




msg:494035
 1:17 pm on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Rencke!

In the next couple of days I'll gather my knowledge of the danish SE's and directories.

Jubii.dk has around 700.000 unique visitors a week. It ranks on the titel, description, category and the 5 keywords you choose at submission - pretty much like other directories.
Have the keywords in title, description, categoryname and keywords, and you're on your way :-)

They have paid option for both express submission and "bold links".

I think I'll leave the Kvasir.dk category to Mikkel - he is by far the most competent for this ;-)

rencke




msg:494036
 5:11 pm on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Thanks Rumbas! As you can see I have updated the main list with your latest info.

>I think I'll leave the Kvasir.dk category to Mikkel
If he doesn't show up soon, I'll have a go at it myself. (And will probably make a mess of things.) ;)

Looking forward to more good info from Denmark. (If you want to rest your weary mind, have a look at the furniture moving thread in Foo. We have another great discussion there about elk hunting on the net.)

Rumbas




msg:494037
 11:06 am on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi!

Just a little news concerning Jubii.dk in Denmark - the danish sites have experienced an increase in traffic this last week - Jubii had around 860.000 unique visitors - an increase of 26% !

Furthermore the local version of Yahoo! www.yahoo.dk is also a player, but not a big one - guess it's around the 3rd most used directory after Jubii.dk and Kvasir.dk.

Among the spidering engines there's www.opasia.dk (powered by Altavista). They have been aggresive lately on tv commercials, but not getting a lot of traffic from there though.

Finally a new and upcomming engine is www.albot.dk (it's used as default search service at TV2 - the largest commercial TV station i DK with 250.000 unique visitors a month.

The Nordic Web Index is dead!

Thor is powered by Altavista.com and is favoring .dk (dot dk) domains.

I'll post more info on the danish situation later.

Cheers

Rumbas

rencke




msg:494038
 2:12 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Great info Rumbas! Denmark updated. If you look in the Norway thread, you will see that snappa has managed to dig up a very complete Gallup poll over major Norwegian sites. Do you know if similar figures are posted for Denmark, by Gallup or by some other institute?

Rumbas




msg:494039
 10:11 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Of course! :-)

You can access FAKDIS below which is the official Gallup Website Index for Denmark:

[netposten.dk...]

Rumbas

rencke




msg:494040
 10:55 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Good God, Rumbas! I have never seen anything, anywhere, even remotely similar to this! The #1 Danish site - Jubii, a directory - has almost twice as many visitors as the nearest competition, also an SE. Here in Sweden all the top sites are running neck to neck. That is just unbelivable. Have you any explanation, why Denmark has this extreme situation?

For everybody else: If you click the link, the figures are shown in a table with headers in English- (The rest is in Danish). Very, very interesting.

Rumbas




msg:494041
 10:22 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

I've been following the development of the Danish SE scene since the early days. Jubii started as many other sites back then as a spare time project with only a very few and irrellevant sites. But they were first movers to show human reviewed sites. People hadn't an alternative at that time. This awareness effect sticked to them since (i guess their chat forum is one of the main reasons for the extreme advantages due to heavy load of chatters!)
In my experience the average user is in the young age area and Jubii have spend a lot of money branding the sitet offline at lot of events this summer.

Cheers

Rasmus

Rumbas




msg:494042
 10:27 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

Maybe we want to add www.altavista.dk in the search engine area. It's quite new yet - they said that with 500.000 unique users at av.com this was a relevant service to the danes. (might ad that it really favors .dk domains) - too much in my opinion ;-)

They have a few very interessting services in the melting pot at moment (keyword selling and more) - exciting to see in the future.

rencke




msg:494043
 10:53 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

Absolutely. I will update Denmark with an Altavista entry.
Rumbas: Would you mind awfully if I move this new post into the existing Denmark dsicussion?

Rumbas




msg:494044
 11:28 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

No - actually i'd love it if you move it to right category - it was a mistake putting it here in the first place! Thanks :-)

rencke




msg:494045
 5:56 pm on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

There we are. Called upon able seaman Tabke to splice the new thread for Altavista.dk (above three posts) into the old thread for Denmark. (He is getting an extra mug of rum for his trouble.)

Good to know for anyone reading this: If you click on "Post new topic" when you meant to click on "Post reply" it will end up outside of the discussion. But it is quite easy to fix. All you need is someone who knows splicing. Learning it myself now, so that I too will become an able seaman. :)

rencke




msg:494046
 2:53 pm on Nov 5, 2000 (gmt 0)

Denmark has been updated with an entry for the new Altavista.dk.

But still no sign of Mikkel, who knows about Kvasir. All he does is to hang out in the Cloaking forum. What do you say Rumbas, maybe I should try this myself? Let me see, Kvasir is the search engine he programmed in high school and put on his personal homepage, right? Only heavily cloaked pages will rank at all, the others are shoved way back. Or am I mistaken? ;)

Rumbas




msg:494047
 12:02 am on Nov 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

I think you're getting close to defining his algo :-)

A little news that I can't resist is that Kvasir is supposed to start using Looksmart as directory provider - hence submission in some sort of regional category.

Hurra!

Maybe this can lure him out from his busy schedule :-)

ulstrup




msg:494048
 12:34 am on Nov 9, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi

First Jan Rencke, you are doing a fantastic job ! Thanks !

Kvasir has moved to LookSmart for sure, see this thread: (in Danish by Mikkel Svendsen)

www.joyzone.dk/soegemaskiner/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000013.html

Albot: be sure to have good <alt> tags, index description is the first 250-300 user viewable characters (incl. <alt>), title is (very) important.

Albot is mindpass as Rumbas pointed out, it is allso used by Sonofon, one of the biggest GMS providers in Denmark.

My experience is that Albot don't drive any traffic, very few people know about it.

Rumbas




msg:494049
 1:34 am on Nov 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

Albot:
Local language(s) required: NO

Local domain(s) only: NO

Search technology: Fuzzy logic and strongly on linkpop.

Meta description used in search replies: NO

Things that help ranking: Local language: YES
Local domain: YES

Altavista.dk:

Things that help ranking: Local language: YES
Local domain: YES
Keyword in title: YES
Keyword in description: YES

LYCOS
Powered by DirectHit (US)

MSN.DK - [search.msn.dk...]
Uses Internet Keywords.

THOR
Search techonologi: Altavista (old database!)

VOILA
Search technologi: ECHO (French)

... A little update :-)

rencke




msg:494050
 4:43 am on Nov 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK gentlemen. Will update Denmark with your info later in the week, but for now - it is earlier than I want to think of and I am on my way to the deep forests for two days of SEO evangelization. As to Kvasir, I guess Mikkel doesn't want anyone to know about it, so we'll have to do the research ourselves. (Not all that easy - Fast main index results are somewhat strange.)

ulstrup




msg:494051
 8:16 am on Nov 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi

Mikkel has announced that Kvasir moves to LookSmart in his Danish newsletter from Joyzone (released 13. nov.), so it's not a secret anymore ;)

rencke




msg:494052
 5:43 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

Gentlemen! I have now updated Denmark with a new entry for MSN Denmark and all of the info supplied above except "msn.dk uses Internet keywords". Didn't catch that. Did you mean meta keywords?

I am also unsure of Lycos powered by DirectHit. Are you talking about the directory service Rumbas? I thought all of Lycos Europe was using Fast, since they own 5% of it. Could you straighten me out here.

Since Mikkel clearly wants to keep Kvasir secret, I have done a simple standard test myself of their Danish index. I thought Fast's main index ranking was strange, but this beats everything I have seen so far. My standard test was "sverige" for the danish index and "sweden" for global. I always use this, because I know by heart all the sites that ought to place well if the SE is doing a good job. Try out "sverige" yourselves for the danish web index and note #1. Also note how #2 made it to the top. If Kvasir intends to remain on the market, I think they will have to give their users better service than this.

Please review the preliminary findings for Kvasir that I posted above and scream if you think I am way off here.

Re LookSmart. You know, this business is so frustrating. Just when you think that you have a grip on things and maybe earn some money from your knowledge, someone changes everything around and you have to get back to the learning phase again. I figure that I spend 2 hours studying for every hour I can charge paying customers. Good thing we have WmW. At least the new stuff is all in one place (Breaking Search Engine News) and with some pretty sharp comments online within hours.

ulstrup




msg:494053
 8:29 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

yes, Kvasir really returns bad results, so does Lycos, very slight differences in results. I think that the Fast way of thinking "big is beautiful" has boomaranged, "quality is beautifull" Rules !

I think Kvasir has realised that, and now mooves to LookSmart, and LookSmart has a gateway to continental Europe, I think it will reward real content sites which i sth objective of both SE's and SEO's :)

Rumbas




msg:494054
 3:13 pm on Nov 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Guys!
My recent post never showed up?? Here's the info again:

>"msn.dk uses Internet keywords".

Internet Keywords are the same as Realnames.

>I am also unsure of Lycos powered by DirectHit. Are you talking about the directory service Rumbas? I thought all of Lycos Europe was using Fast, since they own 5% of it. Could you straighten me out here.

When you do a search at www.lycos.dk - You'll see the "powered by DirectHit" logo at the bottom.
Lycos.dk searches the scandinavian database by default, and I guess that its only in the first 3 listings that contain DirectHit listings. The "%" relevans only shows from the 4th listing and on. If you go to page 2 (20th position and on) the DirectHit logo disappears.

Concererning Kvasir - I'm waiting and waiting for the Looksmart submission there...

Hope they will figure it out soon!
:)

rencke




msg:494055
 3:30 pm on Nov 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Rumbas.

If you posted something that never showed up, I am sure Brett would like to know about it. Can you remember the exact time when it happened?

Re Direct Hit. Is that a Pay-for-Play thing? If so, do you think you could add something to the "Pay-for-Play in Europe" discussion. I have to confess, that I have no experience in this field at all.

Your experience with Looksmart and Kvasir would be another interesting item for everybody.

Will take care of the MSN info.

Rumbas




msg:494056
 3:40 pm on Nov 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Re: dissapearing post - I think it was on the 16th (not sure)

The DirectHit technology is based on click throughs - the more clicks you get the more likely you are to stay in the top. There is no pay-for-play, just the users opinion. :)

I know nothing new of the Kvasir/looksmart deal as of today.
All I know is that Kvasir will be using Looksmart as their directory provider in the future, and right now the directory submission feature is turned off.

Here's a little info on Opasia.dk:

Opasia
Language interface: Danish Traffic volume: 680.000
Local language(s) required: NO
Local domain(s) only: YES

Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: YES
Things that help ranking: Local language: YES
Local domain: YES!
Keyword in URL: slightly Keyword in title: YES
Keyword in description: YES
Keyword in meta keywords: YES
Keyword in header: YES
Keyword in 1st paragraph: YES
Other: Keyword in link text

Data as of 24.11.2000

:)

rencke




msg:494057
 5:12 pm on Nov 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

The main entry for Denmark has now been updated with all the above info.

Rumbas: Didn't understand the measurement for Opasia volume, so I used the weekly unique visitor figure from FAKDIS, which you linked to above and which has also been used for Jubii and Kvasir. Hope that is OK.

Rumbas




msg:494058
 2:14 pm on Nov 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi

MediaMetrix has just data for the danish sites. They have started a panel of 500 households with 1.600 persons.

The numbers for oktober looks like this:

Domain Unique visitors
1 JUBII.DK 1.205.000
2 MSN.COM 984.000
3 MICROSOFT.COM 915.000
4 TELEDANMARK.DK 821.000
5 YAHOO.COM 729.000
6 OPASIA.DK 618.000
7 KRAK.DK 561.000
8 SOL.DK 546.000
9 GET2NET.DK 513.000
10 TV2.DK 509.000

Source: MediaMetrix Nordic

[mmxieurope.com...]

The figures are quite different from FAKDIS, and I'm not quite sure why - will look into later though

rencke




msg:494059
 3:27 pm on Nov 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hmmmm.... BIG difference, indeed.

MMXI uses software installed on the computers (home and at work) for a panel of randomly selected households. The software transmits data about sites visited, the amount of time spent on a site and so on. The method is believed to be very reliable, except for the fact that the need for panelists to download special software may introduce bias into the selection process. (People less used to computers may not understand what they are expected to do.)

I haven't found anything on the method of Fakdis, except that they only measure their own member organizations. Microsoft is not a member and MSN is therefore not to be found in FAKDIS in spite of the fact that it holds the #2 and 3 spots in MMXI.

On the basis of that, I would say that we would have to base primary results on MMXI, relying on Fakdis only for secondary results not published for free by MMXI (their full report is VERY expensive). Do you agree?

Rumbas




msg:494060
 9:18 am on Nov 27, 2000 (gmt 0)

I agree completely!
I've used Mediametrix in the past - when it wasn't so expensive - and always felt great about it.
FAKDIS is very well respected in the media though and is often used as a primary source.

oLeon




msg:494061
 4:27 pm on Nov 27, 2000 (gmt 0)

There come up very strange results, when you search for something at Lycos.dk (btw, the same in Germany):

look at this:
[lycos.dk...] a searching for "økologi"

The first result has got in its RedirectURL this: "&src=dh_dk_scand_u". It looks like "source: direct hit", and beside this result (like it is at the first five positions) there isn´t written anything about relevance.
The sixth result has got this:
"&src=lb_dk_scand<_u", and this looks like "source: Lycos-base". And first from this result (the sixth) you can read about the relevance.

In Germany its the same, and sometimes you get the same page (exactly the same, no mirrorpage, but the same URL, the same content) twice.

What do you think about that?

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